Need some help identifying an issue with my 2016 Jeep Patriot Sport. When put in gear it judders really bad and feels like it doesn’t want to take off like very slow acceleration than it shakes.
Durvelle27
Hi, welcome to the forums.
If it has the CVT, the transmission may be on it's way out.
Judder / shudder on take off and limp mode / slow speed is a common problem often caused by scoring of the valves and valve bores due to dirty fluid contaminated with metal bits. The fluid and both filters should be changed every 30-50k miles rather than 120k as the service manual states.
If the fluid and filters haven't been changed in the last 50k miles you can try doing that and see if it helps. More info on that here:
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Otherwise, you may need to take it to a transmission shop that knows CVTs for a diagnostic.
If you're not sure which transmission it has, you can use the VIN to get a factory build sheet that will tell you. Copy the link below into your browser and add the VIN to the end.
http://www.jeep.com/webselfservice/BuildSheetServlet?vin=
If it has the CVT, the transmission may be on it's way out.
Judder / shudder on take off and limp mode / slow speed is a common problem often caused by scoring of the valves and valve bores due to dirty fluid contaminated with metal bits. The fluid and both filters should be changed every 30-50k miles rather than 120k as the service manual states.
If the fluid and filters haven't been changed in the last 50k miles you can try doing that and see if it helps. More info on that here:
CVT updated pan, dip stick and cooler links please
Been done to death but I cant find all info with links etc to know i'm on right track. Want to service the CVT (replace filters and fluid) also have seen this 4 ports CVT Transmission Oil Cooler, 2 for Engine Coolant 2 for CVT Fluid. 2 pipes for the inlet/outlet of coolant 2 pipes for the...
www.jeeppatriot.com
Otherwise, you may need to take it to a transmission shop that knows CVTs for a diagnostic.
If you're not sure which transmission it has, you can use the VIN to get a factory build sheet that will tell you. Copy the link below into your browser and add the VIN to the end.
http://www.jeep.com/webselfservice/BuildSheetServlet?vin=
Listening to the video it sounds like the belt is rattling loose on the pulleys.
I think you're looking at at new transmission.
I think you're looking at at new transmission.
I hope you find a cheaper way out of this. However, if in fact the transmission is dying, I recommend skipping the junkyard route and going with a factory rebuilt transmission installed by a dealer, or maybe by a knowledgeable transmission shop. From what I've seen, most tranny shops shy away from CVTs because of the bad reputation. Sad part is, the reputation is undeserved -- it was the owners manual that recommended service intervals that were far too liberal, hence may CVTs failed prematurely.
If you otherwise love your Patriot, spend the bucks on a good replacement and enjoy your vehicle for many more happy miles. Quite frankly, I prefer my Patriot over anything else on the market today (and I also own a 2nd Gen Compass and a '21 Wrangler).
On the other hand, if you don't care for your Patriot, maybe donate it for a tax deduction or sell it to a DIYer or someone who has the time and money get the work done. I've donated two of my past vehicles to a charity that gets parts at cost and repairs them with donated labor, then gives the car to someone in need.
Putting my money where my mouth is, I recently put out the bucks for a new 5-spd at a Jeep dealer. Glad I did, because when it gave me trouble my dealer again replaced the transmission and clutch at no charge. While my Patriot has given me very few problems, at 200,000 miles I do expect some problems. I neither live in a fantasy, nor am I leading a charmed life: based on previous experience I think my Patriot is good to 300,000+ miles.
If you otherwise love your Patriot, spend the bucks on a good replacement and enjoy your vehicle for many more happy miles. Quite frankly, I prefer my Patriot over anything else on the market today (and I also own a 2nd Gen Compass and a '21 Wrangler).
On the other hand, if you don't care for your Patriot, maybe donate it for a tax deduction or sell it to a DIYer or someone who has the time and money get the work done. I've donated two of my past vehicles to a charity that gets parts at cost and repairs them with donated labor, then gives the car to someone in need.
Putting my money where my mouth is, I recently put out the bucks for a new 5-spd at a Jeep dealer. Glad I did, because when it gave me trouble my dealer again replaced the transmission and clutch at no charge. While my Patriot has given me very few problems, at 200,000 miles I do expect some problems. I neither live in a fantasy, nor am I leading a charmed life: based on previous experience I think my Patriot is good to 300,000+ miles.
There were transmission codes in the pic you posted (p0777 / p0717).
The shudder / judder (belt slipping) is a common sign of transmission failure as noted on the Sonnax page.
I'd get a shop to take a look at it.
The shudder / judder (belt slipping) is a common sign of transmission failure as noted on the Sonnax page.
I'd get a shop to take a look at it.
The codes may have gone, but the problem persists, so the fluid and filters change apparently didn't solve the issue.
I may be wrong, but I think the transmission is probably shot.
But maybe a qualified shop can offer another insight and things work out for the better.
I may be wrong, but I think the transmission is probably shot.
But maybe a qualified shop can offer another insight and things work out for the better.
The engine dipstick trick only works on fully hot fluid, like after a long drive and parked on a level surface. Then there should be a little fluid on the end, below the low engine oil mark. I use a universal dipstick from advance auto and I marked the various millimeter distances from the tip by scratching a line with a sharp tool. I did 10 mm increments starting at 10 to 20, then 5 mm increments from 25 to 45.
Want to give an update
Got the 9336 Dipstick and checked my levels and it seems off
Transmission was sitting at 43*C using the APP to monitor temps on a level surface and fluid still looks like it’s extremely low.
I measured 7QTs out when I drained and dropped the pan and I added 7QTs back.
I marked where the fluid showed since it’s hard to see as it’s clear.
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Got the 9336 Dipstick and checked my levels and it seems off
Transmission was sitting at 43*C using the APP to monitor temps on a level surface and fluid still looks like it’s extremely low.
I measured 7QTs out when I drained and dropped the pan and I added 7QTs back.
I marked where the fluid showed since it’s hard to see as it’s clear.
When you add fluid, I'd suggest only adding it to the lower end or middle of the range. ie: at 55c, I'd fill it only to 30-35mm. In these CVT's less is definitely better than even 1mm too much.
I don't remember how much per mm, but i'd say cups, not quarts. Since you're already reading fluid on the dipstick, just go slow until you get a feel for it.
Yes, low fluid can cause issues, like slipping.
Too much fluid, even just 1mm too much WILL cause the CVT to overheat, whine, and possibly limp mode. I took my Patriot into a shop to have my right front CV axle replaced because I wasn't able to get the old one to pull out of the trans. A few days later my CVT started whining, overheating, and putting the vehicle in limp mode. I couldn't figure out why. I ended up throwing a bunch of time and $$ at it, only to find out after a few agonizing weeks that the shop had put in just a tiny lil bit too much fluid to replace what leaked out when they replaced the axle.
Yes, low fluid can cause issues, like slipping.
Too much fluid, even just 1mm too much WILL cause the CVT to overheat, whine, and possibly limp mode. I took my Patriot into a shop to have my right front CV axle replaced because I wasn't able to get the old one to pull out of the trans. A few days later my CVT started whining, overheating, and putting the vehicle in limp mode. I couldn't figure out why. I ended up throwing a bunch of time and $$ at it, only to find out after a few agonizing weeks that the shop had put in just a tiny lil bit too much fluid to replace what leaked out when they replaced the axle.
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