Jeep® Renegade VS Compass 2014 FDI or FDII

Elgreco · Aug 6, 2014

Dealers don't have much to do with their respective automaker. They just sell the cars and fix them.

aleisa_az · Aug 6, 2014

Elgreco said:
Dealers don't have much to do with their respective automaker. They just sell the cars and fix them.

I felt the same mostly it is a solo act by the dealer but still he damaged the repetition of all the brands

Chrysler should act now!

rcguymike · Aug 7, 2014

Tyler-98-W68 said:
I don't have a FDI nor have I driven one, but i'm guessing you can "lock" a FDI in "1st gear" using auto stick to achieve what the FDII does by holding the first gear longer.

You can lock it in but when reaching ~6k rpms it shifts to "2nd" and stays there until you are stuck...happened multiple times to me, I remedy it by slapping the stick to the left continuously while in hairy situations such as deep snow, sand, slush, or mud.

Tyler-98-W68 said:
while the CVT moves into a higher final drive ratio of up to 19:1

Sounds like the CVT itself does something?

Tyler-98-W68 · Aug 7, 2014

rcguymike said:
You can lock it in but when reaching ~6k rpms it shifts to "2nd" and stays there until you are stuck...happened multiple times to me, I remedy it by slapping the stick to the left continuously while in hairy situations such as deep snow, sand, slush, or mud.

Sounds like the CVT itself does something?

to engage the secondary drive wheel while the CVT moves into a higher final drive ratio of up to 19:1

I THINK there is a separate belt(rather pulley that the belt may shift onto) or something in the CVT, but I can't be sure, i'll I know is that in that mode it will not shift until you hit redline, and even when it does it adjusts the ratio slightly and doesn't shift into a higher gear and bog. I will make some videos this weekend to show the behavior. When I have time I might make an informational sticky about how all this stuff works.

There is another member on here (Saskriot) he is a lifted FDI, we are going to go wheeling and make some comparison videos as well.

rcguymike · Aug 7, 2014

Tyler-98-W68 said:
it adjusts the ratio slightly and doesn't shift into a higher gear and bog. I will make some videos this weekend to show the behavior. When I have time I might make an informational sticky about how all this stuff works.

There is another member on here (Saskriot) he is a lifted FDI, we are going to go wheeling and make some comparison videos as well.

I wish the FDI would do that! or they could add L below 1 or something...That would be handy. Looking forward to your direct comparisons! I think you'll find the BLDs are a bit "weaker" due to the gearing(but they will lock down all 4 tires all the way if you sit there spinning) but other than that FDI seems like a huge improvement over a typical 4wd.

Ignatz · Aug 7, 2014

rcguymike said:
Honestly, between size, weight, the same BLDs, and a 20:1 low range the renegade will be more capable than a FDI compass or Pat and probably even a FDII.

This advantage depends on why one is making the trip in the first place:
If you're recreating and just want to see where you can get a vehicle to go, that's one thing.
If you're taking the family camping or your buddies hunting you will want some cargo space and a reasonable level of comfort.
If you rarely carry passengers and you need a grocery-getter, the Renegade might be perfect.
If you get it for winter snow, the ground clearance may be an issue, especially if you get the heavy wet stuff where you live.

For me? The Patriot/Compass hits a nice balance between fuel economy and size (power really doesn't matter). The Patriot is heavy enough to be secure in snow and its big enough it doesn't look stupid w a 4x8 sheet (or the canoe) on the roof.

On the personal side, I'm cleaning out my Father's apartment and if the extra interior space saves me even one trip to&from Maine it saves a tank of fuel. That doesn't translate into mpg, but it does affect miles traveled and total fuel consumed.

For my purposes, the designers got the Patriot perfect. I can't imagine lifting the canoe onto the roof of the new Cherokee, and I remember what a canoe looked like on the roof of my cousin's Civic. :icon_rolleyes: Its comfortable on the highway and easy on gas around town. I don't fear snow, but I don't have to live with mpg in the teens the other half of the year.

rcguymike · Aug 7, 2014

^ Very true!

aleisa_az · Aug 7, 2014

+1 true, I agree

rcguymike · Aug 7, 2014

They could put a smaller engine with a turbo, save weight, have more power and put 2 speed diffs and a 9 speed tranny and I would never buy any other car for the rest of my life. Probably drive it til the warranty was up and get a new one. (unless I needed a pickup truck or something for heavy hauling)

moparnumber1 · Aug 7, 2014

rcguymike said:
They could put a smaller engine with a turbo, save weight, have more power and put 2 speed diffs and a 9 speed tranny and I would never buy any other car for the rest of my life. Probably drive it til the warranty was up and get a new one. (unless I needed a pickup truck or something for heavy hauling)

It's cheaper for them to stay N/A. I agree though, they should put a 2.0 turbo with a modest 7 lb's of boost and we'd be just fine.

rcguymike · Aug 7, 2014

moparnumber1 said:
It's cheaper for them to stay N/A. I agree though, they should put a 2.0 turbo with a modest 7 lb's of boost and we'd be just fine.

Then instead of advertising the cheapest SUV in America they could advertise best...

aleisa_az · Aug 7, 2014

rcguymike said:
Then instead of advertising the cheapest SUV in America they could advertise best...

The nissan juke have a 1.6 turbo charged engine output around 190hp and if you increased the boost it gets around 225hp

And it sell around the price of the MK and it is AWD by much completed system! It cost them more!

The MK already have a good 4WD system and good structure all what was messing is the power! The CVT is fine by me you don't lose power because of the shifting actually for Renault small engines the 1.6 the CVT output is higher than the manual transmission I believe in the CVT you just need to learn how to use it after few days you realize how comfortable it is and how to get the extra kick without pushing the engine hard actually because of the rented Renault flounce which I used for 5 days I was so relaxed by not feeling the ups and down of the shifting the lag or even any feeling just full power true it was super funny the first drive

I was laughing my hart out but after few days I love it and I wish if all trucks and cars have CVT it is the new automatic transmission.

Ignatz · Aug 8, 2014

aleisa_az said:
I wish if all trucks and cars have CVT it is the new automatic transmission.

Agreed! :smiley_thumbs_up: The CVT does everything an automatic should do, and with auto-stick it has all the advantages of a manual without the clutch.
Now that the CVT is out of the Patriot we'll start hearing what a great invention it is and how far the Japanese brands are ahead of the American automakers.

rcguymike · Aug 8, 2014

I liked the cvt when it worked. I've been trying to get the dealer to diagnose a weird shift/Torque converter slip/TPS/jolt since last September... Although it's more the dealers issue because their transmission guy is only here during part of the year and I don't have time to take it somewhere else.

aleisa_az · Aug 8, 2014

rcguymike said:
I liked the cvt when it worked. I've been trying to get the dealer to diagnose a weird shift/Torque converter slip/TPS/jolt since last September... Although it's more the dealers issue because their transmission guy is only here during part of the year and I don't have time to take it somewhere else.

what I know regarding the CVT dealers don't fix they replace the compatible trans, or at least this is story locally

moparnumber1 · Aug 8, 2014

rcguymike said:
Then instead of advertising the cheapest SUV in America they could advertise best...

they have the WK2 for the best SUV claims. The MK platform was supposed to be an "Affordable" option for people. And if yo think about it, there's really not many other suv/cuv's that offer what the pat does at it's base price. Nothing domestic anyway.

aleisa_az · Aug 8, 2014

moparnumber1 said:
they have the WK2 for the best SUV claims. The MK platform was supposed to be an "Affordable" option for people. And if yo think about it, there's really not many other suv/cuv's that offer what the pat does at it's base price. Nothing domestic anyway.

At least the brand is Jeep not hundai or kia !

I remember once I did some offroading on a Honda civic 99 model

epper: it wasn't easy but it was super Smoth the only problem was the hight

The platform is fine they could just work it around the engine and the transmission to get more power keeping in mind we are actually using a Hyundai michanics fitted on a jeep platform right?

Elgreco · Aug 8, 2014

No. The only thing Hyundai we have is the 6 speed auto. The chassis is based loosely on a Mitsubishi platform. The engine block is similar to Mitsubishi's and Hyundai's but everything else is different.

Sandstone · Aug 8, 2014

Found this page on the Fiat site. Gives a lot of specs for the Renegade. Sorry if this is a re-post.
http://www.fiat500usa.com/2014/07/new-jeep-gives-clues-on-fiat-500x.html

Basically, the 4x4 system is similar to the MK; it uses an electrically operated clutch to engage the rear wheels, no two speed PTU/RDU. The crawl range on the Trailhawk (Active Low) is done with lower differential gears (like FDII).

Brief Drive train Summary-

Two engines = 1.4 turbo and 2.4L

Two Transmissions = 6 speed dual dry clutch and 9 speed.

All 1.4 Turbos get a 6 speed, all 2.4L get 9 speed. A manual transmission is not offered.

Differential gearing for all vehicles w/2.4L is 3.734 except for Trailhawk which is 4.334.

Axle Ratios for Renegades:
1.4-liter 4x4 4.334<br
2.4-liter 4x2 3.734<br
2.4-liter 4x4 3.734<br
2.4-liter 4x4 (Trailhawk) 4.334

The 1.4 Turbo and the Trailhawk share the same differential gear ratio, but the turbo only comes with the 6 speed (not the 9) so the final ratio is taller.

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If the suspension used on the Renegade is like the Fiat 500 (can be aligned) maybe a small spring or spacer lift can be added (unlike the KL).
http://www.fiat500usa.com/2012/06/f...nment.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Fiat500USA+

For off-road, I think the Renegade in stock form should do better than the MK, but I wouldn't expect a huge difference since there isn't really that much difference in terms of power and gearing.

The biggest advantage I see for the Renegade would be aftermarket tuning support, and the ability of the 9 speed to handle the power of an aftermarket turbo.

rcguymike · Aug 8, 2014

Sandstone said:
Basically, the 4x4 system is similar to the MK; it uses an electrically operated clutch to engage the rear wheels, no two speed PTU/RDU. The crawl range on the Trailhawk (Active Low) is done with lower differential gears (like FDII).

The Trail hawk model probably skips the first couple gears of the 9 speed when in normal conditions then...lol

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