[croat]

2001 Benz $3k vs a 2014 Patriot worth $14500 on craigslist, I mean I should agree with you, right? :icon_rolleyes:

I never said you or anyone had to agree with me - however quoting you again:

If I am going to throw away money Id rather throw it in a Euro SUV which will hold value

You stated that investing money into a Euro SUV is a better option than into a Jeep. BTW need I remind you that 99.99% of all vehicles are not investments but rather a losing expenditure.

In my case my German Luxury SUV which when compared side by side (despite the age) is 100 times better in all aspects over my newer Jeep. With your logic I should have invested all my money into my SUV, fortunately in both cases I have had near zero amount invested in both vehicles in regards to repairs.

However I would rather invest any funds into the Jeep as in the 4 years of owning my Mercedes Benz I have lost 67% if its value from my purchase price. What is my value of the Jeep after 4 years ??? well based on KBB's estimates as well as local dealership ad's, CL ad's, etc .... I am poised to gain a 5% profit on a vehicle that I have put about 50,000 miles on which is unheard of!

Again no idea why you are so negative - mainly on Jeep when you are on a pro Jeep forum :notworthy:

 

[Treegrower]

Every manufacture is going to have some sort of defect that they will need to be recalled, the difference is knowing that there are serious issues and recalling "expensive" repairs, or sitting back and just letting the public rot...FCA is bad as Chevy...Both do a dis-service to their consumer base when items need to be repaired.

With a five minute search, I found two examples of Euro cars (BMW and Mercedes) doing the same thing regarding serious recall issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...siness/2018/may/09/bmw-to-recall-more-than-300000-cars-in-uk-over-stalling-risk ...The U.K. BMW incident was not attended to until a death occurred there.

https://www.newsomelaw.com/takata-airbag-recall/mercedes-benz/ ... Mercedes has less than 3% of their Takata air bag replacements completed - lowest of all brands.

ALL companies do a disservice to their customers when they are lax on safety issues. I'm in agreement with you more than you realize. I'm just not convinced yet that I might not get equally shafted by many of the other companies.

 

[TrailBlazerZ71]

Trying to keep on track, I use my Patriot as a daily driver, and as a weekend offroader. I have yet to have any major issues, just minor annoyances (broken window handles, yay manual windows) etc... Is it the greatest, most efficient, most comfortable vehicle? Not by a long stretch. It's like a faithful horse, it does what I ask it to do, with minimal fuss. You're going to have goods and bads, lovers and haters with any vehicle ever made, it's the name of the game. I like the Patriot because it looks like a Jeep, it does what I need it to do, and it is extremely versatile. I can drive to work and back Friday, go camping deep in the woods that weekend, and drive back to work on Monday. And it'll do that just as easily as going on a 500 mile road trip.


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[AzJeepGuy]

I never said you or anyone had to agree with me - however quoting you again:

You stated that investing money into a Euro SUV is a better option than into a Jeep. BTW need I remind you that 99.99% of all vehicles are not investments but rather a losing expenditure.

In my case my German Luxury SUV which when compared side by side (despite the age) is 100 times better in all aspects over my newer Jeep. With your logic I should have invested all my money into my SUV, fortunately in both cases I have had near zero amount invested in both vehicles in regards to repairs.

However I would rather invest any funds into the Jeep as in the 4 years of owning my Mercedes Benz I have lost 67% if its value from my purchase price. What is my value of the Jeep after 4 years ??? well based on KBB's estimates as well as local dealership ad's, CL ad's, etc .... I am poised to gain a 5% profit on a vehicle that I have put about 50,000 miles on which is unheard of!

Again no idea why you are so negative - mainly on Jeep when you are on a pro Jeep forum :notworthy:

Again you compare Apples to Oranges....you base what your gain on KBBs, local dealership ads (markups), CL ads than your gains will be a hit or miss... If you actually compared a 2014 Benz vs 2014 Jeep Patriot of some the caliber, which they are not. They are different vehicles and like you said the Benz has 100 times better aspects over the Jeep, which translates to better resale value if one decides to sell later on and as long as the vehicle has been maintained, etc. A quick search across the Nation shows the overpriced dealers are asking for Patriots with under 50k miles. Prices range from $21k to $6k for a 42k Patriot, maybe these dealers don't realize the real popular Jeep is the Grand Cherokees that are up in the $21k range? https://www.edmunds.com/jeep/patriot/2014/vin/1C4NJPBA8ED522456/ Unless you get the right person who will buy a Patriot with 50k miles for $14.5k, its a gain for you and in most cases most consumers will research and hover around the $6k to $8k range. If you think my facts are negative, so be it. Im presenting the OP an opinion of my own ownership and if they are budget conscious, they should think long and hard of the issues that this pro-jeep forum has brought up as a warning to other consumers.

 

[ADIMEINMYPOCKET]

What a p*ssing contest this turned into

 

[DangerAaron]

What a p*ssing contest this turned into

Couldn't agree more. Before anyone listens to someone else's opinion they should do a little research for themselves. This forum is a great place for that.
One would quickly realize that AzJeepGuy purchased a Patriot on a reconstructed title, had some issues, and blames Chrysler/Fiat for his issues.
Others here will give glowing reviews regardless of issues they may have experienced simply do to the human need to confirm that they themselves "got the best deal" or whatever.

So in all honesty, I have a 2014 Patriot with 188 thousand miles on it. In that time, I had to take it to a dealership at around the 50K mark for the trans overheat issue. The dealership replaced the fluid and filters and sent me on my way. IT cost me 300 bucks, but it fixed my issue. Since then I have changed the fluid two more times myself at a cost of around 60 bucks.
Just last week I had the check engine light illuminate and the code reader gave me the P2004 and P2014 codes. These are known issues regarding the intake runner "shudders". Most new vehicles have them and most newer vehicles experience similar issues. I removed the "sensor" cleaned it and the manifold and reinstalled it. Check engine light is out and the vehicle is running great again.
I have replaced front and rear brake pads and rotors, the right rear wheel hub/bearings, and stayed up to date on preventive maintenance. I expect another 100K miles out of my Patriot.
The ride is not as smooth as a sedan or higher priced vehicle. You will feel every bump in the road. It is also not a quiet vehicle. There is a fair amount more road noise in the Patriot than it's competitors. It is a well balanced vehicle, that when equipped with Jeep's all wheel drive programming makes it astonishingly capable in light off road and foul weather circumstances. It gets better gas mileage than a larger 4x4 but less than some of it's competitors like the RAV-4 or CR-V.
I would estimate that a good combination of RAV-4/CR-V vs Patriot decisions could find a happy middle ground in the Subaru Forester. Depending on the year it may still have a CVT trans. It will ride better and quieter than a Patriot, but do better in foul weather than the toyota or honda offerings. It will be more economical than a Patriot, but not as economical as a RAV-4 or CR-V. It really all boils down to your intended use, budget, and personal preferences.
If I were in the same situation I was in in July of 2013 and looking for a CUV, I would make the same decision I did back then and purchase my Patriot all over again. I guess that makes me a satisfied customer.

 

[breadtruck]

What a p*ssing contest this turned into

Agreed.


Stay on topic regarding the original posters question.

 

[aroundincircles]

To answer OP's question.

1) engine is very reliable.
2) CVT is debatable, and an aquired taste. Fluid changes are a must if you want it to last. But because they are more common, more shops should be willing to work on them. Part of the hate is jeep never serviced them, just had a replace only contract with jatco. But they are A LOT less complicated than a typical transmission, so costs should come down. If i were to buy one again? I would buy the 6 speed auto (found on the 2014 and later 2.4l engines... for the most part). just because its made by hyundai, and will be easy to get serviced down the road.
3) off road comfort. The patriot is still a CAR! based suv. Its a car with a boxy roof, it has a bit more travel in the suspension, and having real independent suspension helps a ton. I would HIGHLY recommend getting rid of the 16" or 17" wheels and putting on 15" wheels and getting some 235/65-75r15 tires. This will give you a lot more sidewall than the factor sized tires and will improve poor road conditions being translated into the cabin (plus there are a lot more all terrain tire/truck tires in that size with typically handle more abuse, and will be less likely to be damaged by pot holes and road debris.
4) ground clearance. Yup patriot has this in spades. especially if you go with a bit of an oversized tire. I found the patriot to be easy to get in and out of, had a nice high seating position vs a typical sedan, and good visibility.



If the road you're driving is truly that bad... Have you thought about getting an old beater? like a 96-01 jeep cherokee XJ? Its more of a canvas that you make your own (I had a metal cloak lift kit, that made mine ride better than a Cadillac). what ever car you buy is going to be trashed anyways? I used to buy $2000 oldsmobile aleros, and drive the nuts off them on dirt roads and then swap them out every 6mo-year and sell them for what I paid for them, and buy another one.

 

[Reef]

To Original Poster:

NO NO NO NO NO! Run, run like the wind - away from the Patriot. Just read some of my posts and signature. They are the worst piece of ungodly cheap mechanical crap that any automaker has ever foisted upon mankind!

 

[croat]

Who pee'd in your jeep!

 

[ST2395]

I bought a 2012 JP in 2012 and still have it to this day. It's two wheel drive and does alright on dirt roads, even when it's raining. The problems I have had are the engine starting to over heat when going along the freeway. The radiator is too small for the vehicle. I have also had problems with the chassis making very loud noises, especially when hot. My brake lights have gone out on me and I've had to replace the radiator fluid which cost a fortune. Two recalls for safety issues; seat belt and airbag.

It does have a smooth ride. The take off is a little slow and I recommend not having the AC on when climbing hills.

Overall I would say don't buy a Jeep Patriot. Idk about other Jeeps out there but I wouldn't get a JP.

 

[AzJeepGuy]

Couldn't agree more. Before anyone listens to someone else's opinion they should do a little research for themselves. This forum is a great place for that.
One would quickly realize that AzJeepGuy purchased a Patriot on a reconstructed title, had some issues, and blames Chrysler/Fiat for his issues.
Others here will give glowing reviews regardless of issues they may have experienced simply do to the human need to confirm that they themselves "got the best deal" or whatever.

I think I stated that they should research the vehicle and this forum to see what issues others members are experiencing, Didn't you bring this up last time and blame my "reconstructed title" which BTW has no bearing on the issues that are already present with the Patriot that Chrysler/Fiat is well aware especially on this forum: CVT whine, Sunroof leaking, Suspension clunks, rust issues, etc When I got my Patriot I did maintenance and upgraded some items that were preventative. I even added leather heated seats because that's all that was missing from the Patriot since mine is loaded.

Sorry if I don't give a glowing review of the Patriot, my goal isn't to keep fixing known items after they've been repaired, if you don't like my honest opinion, well that's too bad. The OP asked for opinions, I'm given mine. That being said Ill be keeping my Patriot, and just getting another vehicle instead of selling the Patriot.

These last few comments are some hate that other are stating, that what forums are for right? Opinions

 

[Sandstone]

Didn't you bring this up last time and blame my "reconstructed title" which BTW has no bearing on the issues that are already present with the Patriot that Chrysler/Fiat is well aware especially on this forum: CVT whine.....

The transmission cooler lines on your vehicle were crushed to the point of severely restricting fluid flow to the cooler.
https://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/1...forum/15-engine-drivetrain/331898-spent-better-day-trans-raditor-front-end.html

There is no doubt this played a large part in the CVT whine, overheating the fluid and causing it to foam. Hardly fair to blame Chrysler for that.

Further, because it was driven that way, I wouldn't be surprised if the transmission bearings and other components were damaged and the whine returns.

Nevertheless, after you repaired the lines, changed the fluid, and added an additional cooler, you then posted:
https://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/1835882-post17.html

"Drove across the desert in 100+ degree weather for 2 and half hours, with the oil cooler installed and trans cooler lines replaced, the Patriot ran flawless. Temp needle wouldn't even move to the middle mark, stayed 1 click to the left the whole trip.
No transmission whining when I made a stop halfway in between to grab some food. Also feel the MPG went up just a tad, I'll be able to tell this week and into next when I get the range driven. All that work was worth it, now to get some leather seats , roof racks and aftermarket touch screen stereo with camera and I will be done with any mods. Keeping this one stock and just enjoying the drive."

 

[Ignatz]

Besides a tranny cooler, we need a thread cooler . . .

 

[tydingo]

Thank you all for your advice and opinions. We ended up getting a 2017 Jeep Compass. I actually had decided that what I wanted was a 2012 or earlier Ford Escape, but my boyfriend was convinced by his parents that was "too old", and his father was getting super impatient about us finding a used car that we wanted, and we needed him to cosign for us to get financing, so... unfortunately we didn't really have the time to research and discuss things as much as we would have liked to... We happened to come across the Compass at a nearby preowned dealership, I suggested to him that we check it out. He liked it, and I liked it too well enough, so it was what we got. He is the one who will be using the car 90% of the time for his commute, so I told him ultimately it was his choice, though he did ask me to help him to decide.

Hopefully the Compass will serve us well for a long time. I like that it's got plenty of room for groceries, and cargo space for going on trips. And I do very much like the aesthetic and ruggedness of this Jeep compared to a typical sedan. The straight lines in the interior are really nice, the height has me feeling a bit more confident that it's is not going to get mangled by debris on the road, and also gives peace of mind since we live in an area prone to flooding.

It is already having a problem where it pulls to the right when the steering wheel is released, but we got a warranty on it and the dealership said they will perform an alignment and take care of it, I'm really hoping that's all it needs and is not a sign of any worse underlying issues.

As for my motion sickness, that was honestly only a secondary concern for me, since my time riding will be nothing compared to the use it will get for my boyfriend to get to work, but I want to say thank you to those of you who were concerned for my comfort. For me the motion sickness really is just a headache that goes away within an hour of arriving at our destination, and no matter what type of vehicle I'm riding it, I will get it regardless. The only vehicles I've been in that significantly reduced the headache were luxury cars, and those are too far out of our budget to even consider. That all in consideration, The Compass is pretty good; it's a hell of a lot more comfortable to ride in than our old car. I do still feel the bumps but it's more of "bounce" compared to the "thunk" I'm used to, if that makes sense, which is a lot more tolerable.

To answer OP's question.

1) engine is very reliable.
2) CVT is debatable, and an aquired taste. Fluid changes are a must if you want it to last. But because they are more common, more shops should be willing to work on them. Part of the hate is jeep never serviced them, just had a replace only contract with jatco. But they are A LOT less complicated than a typical transmission, so costs should come down. If i were to buy one again? I would buy the 6 speed auto (found on the 2014 and later 2.4l engines... for the most part). just because its made by hyundai, and will be easy to get serviced down the road.
3) off road comfort. The patriot is still a CAR! based suv. Its a car with a boxy roof, it has a bit more travel in the suspension, and having real independent suspension helps a ton. I would HIGHLY recommend getting rid of the 16" or 17" wheels and putting on 15" wheels and getting some 235/65-75r15 tires. This will give you a lot more sidewall than the factor sized tires and will improve poor road conditions being translated into the cabin (plus there are a lot more all terrain tire/truck tires in that size with typically handle more abuse, and will be less likely to be damaged by pot holes and road debris.
4) ground clearance. Yup patriot has this in spades. especially if you go with a bit of an oversized tire. I found the patriot to be easy to get in and out of, had a nice high seating position vs a typical sedan, and good visibility.



If the road you're driving is truly that bad... Have you thought about getting an old beater? like a 96-01 jeep cherokee XJ? Its more of a canvas that you make your own (I had a metal cloak lift kit, that made mine ride better than a Cadillac). what ever car you buy is going to be trashed anyways? I used to buy $2000 oldsmobile aleros, and drive the nuts off them on dirt roads and then swap them out every 6mo-year and sell them for what I paid for them, and buy another one.

Would you recommend that same type of tire change on a Compass as well?

 

[REDONE]

Nope, don't change the wheels and tires yet, Just drive that compass the way it is until you have a reason not to.
What trim/options did your compass come with? 4x4? Trailhawk?

 

[tydingo]

Nope, don't change the wheels and tires yet, Just drive that compass the way it is until you have a reason not to.
What trim/options did your compass come with? 4x4? Trailhawk?

It's 4x4, other than that, I'm not sure how to determine the trim or options.

 

[Sandstone]

It's 4x4, other than that, I'm not sure how to determine the trim or options.

Congrats on the new Compass!

2017 is the refreshed 1 generation compass, so if you have an automatic trans you'll have either a 6 speed automatic w/ Autostick shifter (FD1) or the Trail Rated (FDII) model with the CVT (has Trail Rated badge on front fender and the "L" / Off-Road position on the shift selector).

 

[aroundincircles]

It's 4x4, other than that, I'm not sure how to determine the trim or options.

Drive it as is, Especially if you have a loan on it (and get that paid off ASAP!).

If you email jeep customer care with your vin number, they'll give you a build sheet (basically just a list of what it was equipped with).

Post up some pics!

 

[REDONE]

Yep! Trailhawk has red hooks that are hard to miss. Past which 4x4 system, catskinz leather? Heated seats? Smart cruise; where it keeps distance from the car in front of you?
The updated Compass has lots of fun options that weren't available on the 1st Gen platform shared with the Patriot. Even though the new version is targeted at the same market, Fiat is really bringing their A-game with the optional equipment.