Any chance you still have the part numbers handy? My searches are coming up with several results. BTW, I really appreciate you making this post, this could have possibly saved me hundreds of $$ on a new clutch kit as my Pat only has 21k miles on her.

 

Had a 05 PT Cruiser 5-speed manual which is basically the same transmission as my 2014 Patriot 5-speed manual. My Cruiser did that when cold and new Jeep has done it intermittently since new. On the Jeep, shifting in and out of reverse a few times cancels noise.

 

The intermittent noise I get sounds like a dry bearing (pushing in on clutch pedal cancels noise). I understand that pushing down on clutch pedal disengages the clutch and bearing stops spinning. If that's the case, noise not from throwout bearing.

 

Forgive me if i missed something but basically you said you couldn't get the bearing out that way and you never actually clarified how you got it out. Did you have to remove the transmission and separate the case to get it out?

 

Did you ever find out? Sounds like I have a similar issue with my MY12 Compass

 

Was you able to get this fixed?

 

Was you able to just replace the input shaft bearing? I have 2015 pat with the same issue?

 

It seems the bearings are supposed to come out inside the case. They tap out without much problem that way.

 

Bigger question, why are the input bearings going on this transmission so often. My 10 Patriot with 50K, exact same symptoms as described above. Paid $1k for clutch before real problem discovered. This sounds like a part that is prematurely failing.

 

I'm with you. See my post for more details of similar problem with T355. Not from hard use; mostly gentle driving and mostly highway miles. I put 193K miles on similar 08 model with no problems, while current 16 model input shaft bearing failed at 75K miles. I hate to think it but a few years back Chrysler reduced powertrain warranty from 100,000 miles to 60,000 miles, presumably from their experience : (

 

Had my input shaft bearing replaced at 101K miles - ~$1900, and I'm bringing it back tomorrow for the same symptoms, under the understanding that it is covered under the 60,000 mile warranty.

I had to have the car towed back twice immediately after for shifter linkage coming apart, and then for a bad clutch master cylinder which coincidentally reared it's head immediately after the other work was done.

My only worry now is that they try to cover their rears for the labor cost by telling me some other unforeseen issue has caused the premature failure. I have 0 interest in paying for the same repair after 11 months, 13,000 miles. Warranty, schmoranty,

 

Hey everyone, Sorry for not posting in a while. Been crazy with knee surgeries and recovery this past year. The only way I found to get the input shaft bearing out was to remove the whole transmission. I had a friend with 25 years working on trannys do the work in my garage for me. The only positive was the rest of the transmission looked perfect once removed. He did say the transmission is set up to almost be identical to the automatics. maybe for a quick swap out if needed. He had worked on a number of the cvt trannys working at AAMCO

 

SAME problem. someone told me throw out bearing, same as you were told. this is crazy cause i've never fried a clutch or throwout!

 

Nothing new. I have seen many guys mis-diagnose bad input shaft bearings as throwout bearings.

 

Yep, general rule of thumb is:

Depress clutch and hear a squealy noise - throwout bearing
Depress clutch and eliminate noise - input shaft bearing.

 

Ditto on this Problem

Well I'm guess that this is a "Jeep you need to look at this problem". We just got back from a 1900 mile trip and my 2015 Patriot 5-speed 4WD is making the same noise in neutral with the clutch is out, quieting down when it is pushed in - bottom line is the Patriot only has 21,000 miles on it and yes I know for sure that no one has been riding the clutch. Come on Jeep, you can do better than this!

 

For anyone wanting a parts list for Input Shaft Bearing Issue

My 2015 2.0L 5 speed Sport with 66k miles had the same exact transmission issue last spring 2018. LUCKILY it was covered under warranty (2015 Jeeps still have the 100,000 miles warranty)

I presume the numbering protocol in the work order is:
Unit - Part Number - Part Name

I hope this helps anyone looking for the part numbers for ordering parts online, reading the repair manual, etc. I copied the work order information over, instead of hosting a picture as those disappear over time when the picture hosting company goes away or server directories get wiped.


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ENG: ECN 2.0L I4 DOHC 16V Dual VVT Engine
TRN: DD7-5-Speed-Manual T355 Transmission

A GENERAL CONCERN
[CUSTOMER STATES CAN HEAR A CLICKING AND OR FLAPPING
TYPE NOISE FROM TRANSMISSION AREA INCREASES WHEN
ROLLING PUSH CLUTCH PEDAL IN AND GOES AWAY SLIGHTY]

2842 w
2745 w
3355 w

1 68001749AA BEARING-INPUT SHAFT
5-6
1 68003414AA BEARING-ROLLER
1-2
1 5189994AA PLUG
1 68001750AA SEAL-INPUT SHAFT BEARING
2 5013634AB BEARING-INPUT SHAFT
1 4318083AC SEALER-ANAEROBIC
3 68055894AA *FLUID-ATF+4
4 85165 COTTER
2 4318080AD *FLUID-BRAKE

FC: PART#: COUNT:
CLAIM TYPE : W
AUTH CODE:

 

Whiney Tranny

Not sure if my story will be helpful - but maybe - so here goes.

I have a 2011 Patriot Latitude w/2.4l motor & manual 5spd tranny. Not trail-rated. Purchased it new. Pushing 125K, real hard. 95% on paved roads. Half of that, droning along at 70 on the freeway.

It adopted a drive-train whine at about 40K. What I'd call a "clean" whine. No growling, or vibration, or "grittiness". Annoying, but no apparent ill effects on vehicle performance. Assumed it was in the tranny output shaft, since the whine frequency & volume increased with vehicle speed. And appeared only when the motor was loaded up in a forward gear. Clutch in = no noise. Deceleration = no noise. The whine steadily worsened 'till about 70K then stopped worsening. I had it into the dealer at least twice to see what was going on. Always got it back unchanged. They said it was normal whine. :^/ I changed tranny fluid about every 30k, just to keep it clean - and remove any debris that the "whine" may have been producing.

So..., I ran it like that 'till about a month ago, when I noted a "gritty" whine when decelerating. Not good! Parked the little turd 'till I could get it into the shop. They swapped all of the main shaft (output shaft?) bearings, in the tranny. Five of them, I think? Cost me 17 bills - but the whine magically disappeared. It was a fair chunk of change - but I gained a little fuel economy (hadn't noticed the gradual decline, but sure did on the up-take!) - and seems to have picked up a little bit of additional power. Whatever..., I'm sure enjoying the vehicle all the more without the whine!

Notable that this is only the 2nd time I've had to perform an unscheduled servicing. First time was for a half-shaft at 8 bills. Not because the shaft was bad, but because a CV boot was torn. I figure that given all of $2500 in unscheduled servicing over the 125K that I've owned the Patriot - I'm still ahead of the game. Still way less than I've had to spend on unscheduled servicing for just about every other car or truck I've ever owned with that many miles on it - and I've owned all of the big 3, and several of the asian brands. Can't say with any honesty that any of those other vehicles have held up as well as my little bar of ivory soap.

I'd been flirting with turning it over. And I might still. But right now, I'm leaning toward just running to ground.

 

Word of advice to anybody else having this problem don't keep running it. I have a 2012 latitude 4x4 that started making this noise at about 80000 miles. My work schedule in the summer is crazy so I just kept running it till winter when I planned on addressing the issue. Before I got to it the input shaft let go. In doing so it blew the clutch into pieces' and scratched up the inside of the case enough that it was no longer rebuildable. Doing all the labor myself and getting a good deal on a remanufactured tranny all said and done still cost over 3000. If I got to it in time probably would have cost me half that.

 

Does anyone know what the part numbers are for the bearings in the picture Pat-Riot11 posted? I can only find 5013634AB listed as rear input shaft bearing. Not able to find the counter balance bearing, or are they both the same?

 

Does anyone know what the part numbers are for the bearings in the picture Pat-Riot11 posted? I can only find 5013634AB listed as rear input shaft bearing. Not able to find the counter balance bearing, or are they both the same?

I believe they are the same bearing. I've had to replace ISB twice in 2yrs, and they appear to be the same bearing.

 

Well done Toti, and welcome to the forum!

 

I previously posted on an older thread. I previously had a 2008 Compass with 5 speed and had no problems in 193,000 miles. My current 2016 Compass recently had the input shaft bearing fail at about 75,000 miles. Similar symptoms; very noisy when driving, but quieted down when clutch was pushed in. Service drained the transmission and there were bits of bearing, so transmission was replaced under (extended) warranty. Normal warranty was expired. I drive conservatively and mostly highway miles.

Sorry to see this problem cropping up, as the 2.4l engine seems bulletproof, and manual transmissions are an endangered species.

I wonder if there was a bad batch of bearings or a change of vendor in more recent years? Would appreciate hearing more from others. After my good experience with the 2008 with same powertrain, I wasn't expecting a major failure in a 3 year old Jeep with 75,000 miles.

 

I managed to get my input shaft bearing out with a screw driver and a claw hammer! The we claw hammer help with prising it out.. I found my bearing to be very worn... it pretty much fell apart once I got it out....
My car ended up up stalling when I to put in gear or neutral after letting clutch out... any one think it would be only that bearing faulty now?


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Good job on making your own puller. You should sell them on this forum I spent $20 on one that I will probably never use again except for this repair.

 

Yeah you need a proper puller that the dealer has this is a common problem, a am guessing this is due to people over loading their vehicles. I have seen ones with high mileage be good and moderate mileage and there gone have bought two jeeps now that have had the rear case bearings go. You can pull it put it onto a bench and separate the case. But you will need a hydraulic press regardless to get the rear case bearings out if you try and pound them out you stand a very good chance of cracking the case so be careful.

 

I was able to get off bearings from outside it was cake im stuck at what fluid came out dose anyone

 

ATF+4 MS-9602(Automatic Transmission Fluid), Mopar Part #05013457AA or equivalent.

 

SO, I had the same problems as Toti. Whining in 3rd 4th and 5th, only when throttle is applied. I took my patriot to the transmission shop and they suggested that we drop and split open the trans to replace all the bearings basically to do a full rebuild on it for a grand total of $2500. I thought WHOA, okay, it still shifts fine, no other problems than a little noise, let me just try to do this first. I bought two bearings for $40 a piece at a local transmission parts supplier, and spent 8 hours (not 1.5) and 4 trips to 3 different auto parts stores to get the right tools to do the job. I waited overnight to let my gasket sealer set in before topping it back up with trans fluid. It didn't fix it. It wasn't until I reflected on it later that night that I realized the output shaft had way too much play in it after removing the outer bearing, meaning the inner bearing was the culprit.

I had to completely destroy the output shaft bearing to be able to get the tools in there to pull it out. ended up using a bearing puller and a slide hammer.

Anyway, it didn't fix it. It wasn't until I reflected on it later that night that I realized the output shaft had way too much play in it after removing the outer bearing, meaning the inner bearing was the culprit.
The output shaft (or counter shaft) is the one on the right. After I removed the bearing it just kinda flopped around in there. Good thing I didn't damage anything else along the way.

I knew this was a sort of gamble with myself, but I lost the bet and now I'm out a days labor and about $100 in parts and new fluid.

After getting a second opinion and discussing with the family, we decided to just cough up the dough and get the whole T355 tranny rebuilt. It will put us at ease, won't have to really worry about it again. I might have waited a while before deciding to do the service, but I'm about to go on a 4000+ mile road trip from Denver to OBX North Carolina and back and I'm not taking a chance of something happening on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere.

 

....9 years late ... but thank for the post. Just acquired a 2011 manual Patriot with same issue.... gonna fix it now. Cheers !