Kinda sad to hear.

He had a pretty good run though.

 

Thats a lots of miles!

 

Also consider that, aside from two transmissions, Ignatz had very few repairs. I suppose, aside from the iceberg incident, the Titanic had a good trip, but really, Ignatz was a very trouble-free vehicle. Really nothing significant before 190,000 miles.

• A $1000 electrical problem that killed my original battery and alternator.
• Shocks & struts all around.
• Some front end repairs but nothing premature.

Everything else was just scheduled maintenance. Starting to use a little oil but still getting 3,000/qt.

If I'd had to pay for those transmissions I might not be as positive, but at least FCA stood behind the warranty. Even as I was shopping for a replacement I checked out a couple Patriots on the lot, but with the rebates FCA is offering it made more sense to go new. Compass seemed to be the closest thing to a Patriot, but if they were still making Patriots I would have leaped at one, and a pretty basic one at that.

As I said above, we still have our 2014 Patriot which so far hasn't need a thing other than oil changes and windshield wipers. Maybe it will outlast Ignatz . . .

 

So sad. Those new compasses are pretty nice, but I'd always buy used now days except for a wrangler since they keep their value so well. Sure there are no used patriots fd2 out there? Heck I'd even sell you mine in 2 years.

 

Sounds like you could have bought a new Patriot for all of those repairs!

 

It was a good run.
What was the repair needed? Transmission?

 

Nice! you'll have to tell me how the compass does! I really want a wrangler, and will buy one, but in a couple of years when I need a new DD, and can pick up a lightly used trail hawk compass for (hopefully) a good deal.

 

First impression of the Compass was good enough to buy one. I seriously considered a Renegade because I liked the more Jeep-like styling.

My decision was largely based on highway driving, cargo capacity and fuel economy.

• The Compass feels bigger and has a longer wheelbase = better ride.
• According to the sticker the Compass has better fuel economy and I believe it. The Renegade's boxier styling (that I like) also means poorer aerodynamics. In a thorough test-drive I couldn't get the Renegade into its top gear (9), even at 70MPH on a downgrade, so I doubt it would ever make the sticker MPG figures. Similarly, the Compass could get into 9th even on a slight upgrade, but no way it could accelerate in 9. In most cases I'll be in plain old Drive, but on a long haul at turnpike speeds, I want it to find the highest ratio possible.
• The Compass has significantly more cargo capacity. Not always needed, but when it is needed its nice to have it. I carry a lot of 'stuff' for work.
• Only downer is that there aren't as many cubbies as my Patriot had. I miss the slot under the radio where I kept spare pens, pencils, calculator, receipts, etc, and that huge shelf/recess over the glove box for my flashlight, mascot, paperwork, and other misc items.
• I also I miss the holes in the console for little tools like my knife, ID badge, credit cards, hand sanitizer, and spare change. To the Compass' favor, it has the fold-down arm rest in the back seat into which I can insert a caddy to hold all the aforementioned stuff; my old Pontiac had a similar feature and that's how I used it.
• This will be less of an off-road vehicle than my Patriot, but we still have our 2014 Patriot and our Wrangler for that.

I never feared snow in my FWD Patriot as long as I had good snow tires: ten NH winters and I always got where I was going and home again -- never got stuck. With AWD I expect the Compass should do even better, and yes I will get dedicated snow tires for winter.

 

Sad to hear but it had a good run. Surprised to see it made it that far with so few repairs. I'm also curious to hear some feedback on new Compass.

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Ah yes...retirement--the "ultimate" promotion! Live long and prosper, Ignatz!

 

He may live longer. I've got a couple friends interested. Failing that I'll give it to a charity like Good News Garage.

 

I wish Jeep put that new 2.0T in Renegade and Compass with 6 speed manual. I'd buy it today. VW uses their 1.8T and 2.0T across all of their cars regardless if it's built on the same platform.

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I wish Jeep put that new 2.0T in Renegade and Compass with 6 speed manual. I'd buy it today. VW uses their 1.8T and 2.0T across all of their cars regardless if it's built on the same platform.

I will admit, I've never really liked the renegade... it was too... Toyish to me, and I've seen them everywhere. I accept its popularity, my neighbor has one, and its the color I would have picked myself. but its just so... small. It looks too much like a toy to me. I appreciate it for its boxiness sure.

I guess I was seeing the compass more often than I was, but its so much like a Grand cherokee, I didn't see it as a different car (and that's a good thing. My biggest question is quality. and I really wish it had a turbo charged engine. (but that's something I'm just partial to).

I'm with you both.

• The Compass seems a little underpowered, even compared to my Patriot. I didn't look at the curb weight, but I'm guessing the new Compass is heavier. The new "Tigershark" engine (tiger = cat, shark = fish, so read that "Catfish" engine) is a tad stronger than the 2.4 World engine, but its not a sports car by any stretch. Then again, if they put a V6 under the hood we'd have to say good-bye to fuel economy.
• The Renegade looks like competition for the Juke or Element. It does have a kid-appeal about it.

Putting these thoughts together, FCA could cram a V6 into a Renegade or put a turbo on the 2.4 and really have something exciting. >
As I recall back in the 1980s AMC stuck a SC/V8 in a CJ to create the Scrambler, but its been a lotta years since I've seen one. AMC was a small company but they had a lot of clever and creative ideas.

 

See my new thread in the "Other Jeeps" section proclaiming that year to date Jeep sales has outpaced Toyota/Lexus (cars) combined! http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/13...-other-jeeps/332874-year-date-jeep-sales-surpases-toyota-lexus.html#post1838682


Ignatz - a farewell ceremony is certainly appropriate for your legendary Patriot. Please post some pics.

 

NOOOOO!!!!! Sniffle sniffle.....he's going over to the Italians. Glad you got something you liked, and hope it could be gotten as simple as you and I both prefer a blue-collar brand like Jeep to have, but these days it just screams Fiat. Even the new "Compass" variant of the 500x still looks more like a Fiat than a 500x, and not nearly as similar to the WK2 as the actual Compass model did from 2011-2017.

 

With the Patriot out of production I'm sadly getting used to these goodbyes! I'm probably not far behind, even though my '09 only has 94000 or so on it. Not sure how much longer I'm going to keep it and have been looking. My real dilemma is whether to buy another Jeep. The Renegades are very affordable even in Trailhawk trim, which is appealing. Since I'm a single guy with no kids, I don't need the bigger vehicle. I like the looks of both the Renegade and new Compass. Still, the Fiat built angle scares me with the Renegade. In general Jeep's reputation for quality right now scares me. So the practical side of my mind keeps looking at Subaru and Hyundai. It'd be nice to own something for a long time and not have to worry much about repairs.

 

A few of you have mentioned the Italian connection. I've nothing against Italy, but according to the sticker, my Compass was made in Mexico with engine & tranny made in USA.

Now I've driven if for a couple days, so I've gotten a few impressions.

Coming up on my first fill-up so I'll be curious to see if the fuel economy is as good as it looks. The EVIC is suggesting I'm running 30MPG. That would be as good or slightly better than Ignatz.

It doesn't seem to find its top gear without being told to, i.e., if I'm on a downgrade in Drive and I nudge the lever over to auto-stick it will say 8, but it will happily take 9 if I up-shift. For what I can see it would otherwise stay in 8.

Curiously, when using cruise on a downgrade it will hold me back, though not as good as my Patriot CVT. But if on that downgrade I switch off the cruise control, it will still hold me back -- even with the cruise off. I expected it would just release me and let it gain speed. I've gotta play a little more with that.

Power is certainly adequate. First gear seems really low. I'll have to look up that ratio.

 

Maybe I should start another thread about my new Compass . . .

On another thread aroundincircles reminded me of a serious shortcoming in the Fiat Jeeps, including mine: they don't have spare tires, some not even temporary spares. An option (that i didn't get) on the Compass is a "full-sized temporary spare." I realize why its full-sized, but why not go the distance and make it a durable full-use spare?

And the tire problems I've most frequently had were not nails or screws, but sidewall damage or a ripped tire. That silly little pump doesn't have a chance of solving a problem like that. Not right away, but I think I'll investigate adding a full-sized spare. If the temp spare is full-sized, then a full sized spare ought to fit in there. Come to think of it, I don't think it even comes with a jack . . . no, I'm sure it doesn't. Not a problem encountered in city or highway driving, but anyone going off-road may find themselves a long way from help. AAA is not venturing off-road to install a new tire!

 

I bought a fullsize spare for my Patriot. Worthwhile investment if you have AWD, imho. Don't want to break anything driving on a donut, and there's less rush to get the tire patched up, plus more life out of your tires if you do a five tire rotation.

Will be interesting to see what you do with your Compass.

 

I realize that the Cherokar is built in Belvedere now, desecrating the Patriot factory like it did the Wrangler factory for so long, and that the new "Compass" is Mexican-built, but both vehicles and the Rennygayde just scream Fiat at me. Not just because that's who took over the whole Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep deal, but because unlike the Challenger and Durango among others, these new "Jeeps" are just barely skimming targeting the core Jeep crowd. The main reason anybody from that crowd buys them is because they're what's on the lot with that badge, plus younger folks don't always realize the advantage of a simpler vehicle. I'm occasionally(especially by some of the guys I know best) that I "don't have a real Jeep"...but why? Because it shares a platform with a Caliber. Show me a Caliber with crank windows, designed to resemble the XJ and take on trails that would leave a CR-V crying for its mommy. And others tell me how these stupid Fiats are more Jeep than what I have "because they're better off-road"...my brother adds that the Cherokar has thicker axles. Whoop de do. If you don't get them in Trailsquawk trim, you'll rip off the bumpers on anything more than a speedbump, plus one look at them tips off any red/white/blue-blooded Jeepster that they were designed by the same folks that make the Fiat 500. Then you look closer and see that the Rennygayde and 500x come off the same factory floor in Italy, like the Ford Ranger and Mazda B-series. Then there's all the "features" and "refinement" they put in there....since when is that a Jeep? Even the Grand Wagoneer didn't have that much crap. "You don't get to say that because you have that CVT"...yes, which we all know is actually the simpler and more efficient option because it's literally a belt and two pulleys, rather than fifty billion gears shifting all over the place. Yes, I like a regular transmission too in many cases, but here the CVT is a vastly underrated advantage.

Again, not trying to belittle the hard choice you made, Ignatz. Just wondering why the Italians think it's funny to ruin an American icon so.

 

And once again..... Rosso comes in to insult others choices and attempt to prop up the decision he made to purchase the absolute cheapest AWD CAR BASED CUV in existence at the time in the face of all evidence. Dude, just stop being a dick already.
1: The "core Jeep crowd" will always buy wranglers first. Jeep, Chrysler, and Fiat know this. Your Patriot was never intended or built to be an offroad machine.
2erhaps "younger folks" along with a lot of not so younger folks are more interested in comfort and tech built in to their vehicles. If all Jeep sold was plane jane wrangler's with crank windows, there would be no Jeep left. Instead of insults, perhaps a little appreciation is in order since these are the people that are enabling Jeep to continue building more simplistic and rugged vehicles like the Wrangler.
3: You are doing the same thing as your "friends". Each time you post one of these jealous diatribes about the Cherokee, Compass, or Renegade you are just taking the long winded route to "It's not a REAL Jeep".
4: The Cherokee not only has thicker axles, it also has a larger, more powerful engine, a selectable locker, and you can actually put decent tires on it.
5: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You might think the Cherokee, Compass, and Renegade are ugly. Obviously, there a lot of people out there that don't. Including some from this site, who have taken their Cherokee on trails your Patriot will never see and couldn't handle.
6: I had two Grand Wagoneers. One 1978, and one 1980. Both had power windows, locks, steering, brakes, and 6 speaker stereo's. One even had power front seats. At that time, that was the definition of a loaded luxury vehicle. Your perspective is way off.
7: The CVT is crap. Face it. You yourself have had to replace the one in yours. I had trouble with mine in the first 50K miles of ownership. Tens of thousands of users experiences aren't wrong. It is not tough enough for even the most modest off-roading tasks on a regular basis. It is impossible to equip with a true low range. How is that "core Jeep"? It's only application is snow mobile's, lawn tractors, and the smallest commuter cars built. There is a reason why Jeep dropped it in all models except the FDII in 2014. After 6 years of trying to make it work, they gave up. The only reason it was still in the FDII is because it was not worth it to re-engineer the entire vehicle for the remaining production.

Again.... stop being a dick. Didn't your mother ever tell you that "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all"?
Your Cartriot is not better. And trying to insult others by inserting the word "gay" into Renegade is juvenile.

 

I hate Wrangler's - never did like em and never will

 

Please keep it friendly. As we all know, I'm a CVT fan. I also don't care for ridiculing other vehicles -- they have their place.

Agreed, I wish the new Compass was more basic, with wind-up windows, manual locks and no touch screen or back-up camera. Its a Jeep for crying out loud! My new Compass has more options than my '74 Cherokee (SJ platform)! And that was actually just a downsized Wagoneer.

I didn't want to part with my old friend Ignatz, but it was a wise choice. I sold him to a friend and as of today he has a new set of plates and a second life ahead of him. In fact at this moment he is using it to rescue his Wrangler. It was acting like a Ford. Ford = Found On Road Dead. Oops, sorry 'bout that -- I wasn't going to make fun of other vehicles. My bad.

 

I apologize Ignatz. This is a pattern with an individual that I feel is detrimental to our group. The arrogant attitude displayed within the jeep community as a whole is off-putting. Part of the draw of the "not wrangler crowd" is that we don't have to deal with that attitude. That is until someone brings it into nearly every discussion of any other Jeep branded vehicle that happens here.
I am sure that you labored over your decision. And if you are happy with your new vehicle then that is what matters most. Jeep has to stay competitive in the market place. And the touch screen, NAV, bluetooth, and all the options are the only way to do it. If they don't, they will not sell enough vehicles to remain viable. And that ends all of Jeep. Including the Wrangler. That would truly be sad.
I know that you are a CVT fan. More over, I was and still am when used in it's appropriate installations. You were lucky enough to get two replaced under warranty. Most have not been so lucky. Most Patriot (or Nissan Rogue) owners feel like they are driving a ticking time bomb. And unfortunately they are. I will baby mine, and do premature preventive maintenance in an attempt to get the longest life possible out of mine. But, even owning an FDii, I know what it's capabilities are and that more than anything else the limits are set by the CVT.
Once again, congratulations on your new ride. I hope you enjoy it as much as you enjoyed Ignatz.:smile2:

 

Did I not specify I wasn't trying to bash Ignatz's choice? Twice? Oh, right!!!! I DID!!! TWICE!!!! Which makes DangerAaron the disrespectful jerk here. Having all that crap available at all, MAYBE on the Grand Cherokee, is one thing, but making it all standard is just not Jeep. They need to either fix it all or let the brand go. My former statements stand.

 

Having all that crap available at all, MAYBE on the Grand Cherokee, is one thing, but making it all standard is just not Jeep.

True, options should be options.

 

Yes, except for some Wranglers, Jeep does seem to be departing from its roots. Even there I have some questions. I suspect someone else (Indian or Chinese) may come along and put out a simple cheap vehicle sans whistles and bells, and sweep the market. It seems there is a rush on the part of the manufacturers to implement new technology whether the public wants it or not. All in a quest to move us as far as possible from the driving experience. No wonder they are pushing driverless cars.

I think the same thing is true of McDonald's. I'll bet you dollars to donuts (an expression fast approaching parity) that in a couple years someone will come along and sell basic hamburgers, fries, and soft drinks and put the 'big guys' out of business.

• All I really want is a simple lunch, not a McWhopper!
• All I want in a car is a reliable vehicle that can handle a snowstorm, get good fuel economy, give me some cargo space, and deliver a comfortable ride.

Driverless cars are for people who don't like cars and don't like driving. Why not just take the bus?

 

I suspect someone else (Indian or Chinese) may come along and put out a simple cheap vehicle sans whistles and bells....

Funny you should mention it..

https://jalopnik.com/the-mahindra-roxor-is-a-tiny-offroad-jeep-to-conquer-am-1823460351

"....Unlike many other side-by-sides, the Roxor will feature a very CJ-7-ish steel body mounted on a steel frame. And like an old-school Willys Jeep, bolted to the frame will be two sets of leaf springs holding up two solid axles (3.73 ratio; lockers will be available later, according to company reps).

The powertrain will be the ultimate off-roader’s dream: a turbo-diesel (a four-cylinder) mounted to a five-speed manual (an automatic option will also be available) mounted to a low-range transfer case. Admittedly, that 2.5-liter diesel that has to carry around 3,035 pounds of curb weight isn’t the strongest at 62 HP at 3,200 RPM and 144 lb-ft at 1,400 rpm.

Mahindra has quite a history of building Jeep-like vehicles, with their very first offering being the forefather of the current Thar (on which the Roxor is based); that first car was essentially a Willys CJ-2A Jeep shipped to India as a knock-down kit and assembled under license back in the late 1940s. It’s these “grandfathered” licenses that allow the company to build such Jeep-like vehicles."

 

Belated congrats on your new Compass. I doubt they'll wait too long before bringing out the HO version since I can think of no other reason for changing the speedo from 120 to 160. Of course it probably won't be available with a manual. Happy Trails.

 

Yeah, that 160MPH speedo is a little specious. I don't think I'd want to be driving any sport-ute at that speed. If they do bring out a manual it will probably be a 12-speed! Seems automakers just love putting gears in things these days.

 

Being new to Jeep and specifically a Patriot, it's good to hear good news and a ton of miles out of one. I looked at a couple used Compass' before finding this Pat and I am happy with my purchase at the moment.