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Fiat to develop "Baby Jeep" in Italy, keep Compass/Patriot replacement in U.S.

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Fiat to develop "Baby Jeep" in Italy, keep Compass/Patriot replacement in U.S.

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111003/COPY01/310039857/1193

Fiat will build a "baby" Jeep in Italy to sell in Europe and possibly also the United States, two company sources told Automotive News Europe.

The Jeep will be smaller than the brand's current entry SUVs, the Patriot and Compass. The model will be produced in Fiat's home plant of Mirafiori in Turin, alongside a similar vehicle for Fiat brand that will replace the Sedici and an Alfa Romeo subcompact car for sale in Europe and North America.

Fiat had initially planned to build in Mirafiori the replacement for the Jeep Compass and Patriot and an Alfa SUV that would have shared systems and components with the Jeep model.

The change of strategy implies that the single model to replace the Patriot and Compass and its Alfa sibling will be manufactured in the United States. Jeep currently builds the Patriot and Compass in Belvidere, Illinois.

Fiat declined to give details on which models will be built in Mirafiori as part of a refurbishment of the factory, but the automaker is developing smaller models to meet an increasing demand downsized vehicles, especially in Europe.

In a statement issued on Monday, Fiat, which controls 53.5 percent of Chrysler Group, said it will remodel Mirafiori to build the most updated version of one of its three main architectures on which different nameplates for its various brands will be produced.

Development of the manufacturing infrastructure will begin in 2012 and production of the first nameplate, a Jeep SUV, is expected in the second half of 2013, it said.

The architecture to be installed in Mirafiori is internally called SUSW. It is a wider, U.S.-compliant version of Fiat's European Small architecture, which will debut next spring on two small minivans that Fiat will produce in Serbia to replace the Idea and Multipla models.

Fiat's group executive council made the production decisions for Mirafiori at meetings on Friday and Saturday, reversing a plan first announced in December 2010 to install in Mirafiori the bigger CUSW architecture.

CUSW is a wider, U.S. compliant version of Fiat's European Compact architecture that debuted last year on the Alfa Giulietta compact hatchback.

The first model to use the CUSW architecture will be a Dodge compact sedan that will replace the Caliber and will be unveiled in January at the Detroit auto show.

Mirafiori currently builds the Alfa MiTo 3-door subcompact, as well as the Fiat Idea and Lancia Musa small minivans.

Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said in a statement that refurbishing Mirafiori "is an important step in our plans to re-industrialize our Italian manufacturing backbone in view of current market developments and the increased distribution reach provided by Chrysler Group."

He added: "This leading-edge architecture will allow us to provide the most updated platforms for the development of our brands, and more importantly, will allow us to access the full powertrain offerings of both Fiat and Chrysler."
Seems like potentially good news for the Patriot faithful as it doesn't sound like the next gen Patriot will be much smaller then the current offering. How I understood the previous next-gen Patriot rumors / fears was that it would just be a redesigned Fiat Panda. However; now it seems like there will be a Fiat Panda, a "baby Jeep", and whatever the Patriot replacement will be.
 
#2 ·
In regards to this article don't think I want.

2012 Patriots are being made so 2012 discontinuation minimum and that is still not for certain. I think the patriot is small enough for myself because I am used to larger SUv's. It still passes the test for an suv though, its just short. Well 2011 Patriot models are all an inch higher or is it a select few?
 
#4 ·
Panda vs Range Rover



From that video the Panda doesn't seem to bad. I should probably find my flame suit before I say this, but it seems very similar to the Patriot to me. A decent start, equip it with the ability for an ultra low gear, and somehow lock the front and rear axles and/or increase the articulation it'd be a great off road machine for 97% of the population.
 
#6 ·
Like the Patriot, I think it would be good for mild to moderate off-roading, you'll just never have a rock crawler with it.
 
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http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111003/COPY01/310039857/1193
Seems like potentially good news for the Patriot faithful as it doesn't sound like the next gen Patriot will be much smaller then the current offering. How I understood the previous next-gen Patriot rumors / fears was that it would just be a redesigned Fiat Panda. However; now it seems like there will be a Fiat Panda, a "baby Jeep", and whatever the Patriot replacement will be.
I think the baby Jeep WILL be the Panda. It's smaller than the Pat/Compass and has already been announced for other markets. They're just re-badging it and hopefully adding some extra toughness and then calling it a Jeep. There will be a separate replacement for the Pat/Compass.
 
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Patriot size, cargo space, etc, is as small as I'd like to go, but I really need the mileage, so it's a fair compromise. It's a daily driver that allows me to go off road on the weekends, get to hunting and fishing places, and get up my driveway in winter. And my driveway is a tougher trail than most folks will take their Patriots on.

If I could have a true off road vehicle, it wouldn't be the Patriot, but I couldn't afford a vehicle like that for a daily driver.

I think this is the niche for the Patriot.
 
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blah, cant they just make a redesigned patriot/compass vehicle for 2013 with multiair, 30mpg highway, 4 wheel drive and about the same capabilities as the current patriot offroad? I would buy it and thats what i was thinking my next vehicle would be if the actually make it
 
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Pretty sure that's what the Patriot/Compass replacement will be. Multi-air hasn't been confirmed, but it's plausible. Maybe the states will have a diesel option too. The baby Jeep will be smaller still (probably a modified Panda).
 
#14 ·
If you guys want a Panda, why not just buy a little Matchbox car?

I would not drive one of those. Too small and ugly as hell. I don't care what MPG it gets.
 
#16 ·
when I try to think what a "mini jeep" will look like, I can't help but picture a Suzuiki Sidekick or Geo Tracker. Fiat please tell me you have a betted design!!!!!
 
#17 ·
its for people who does not care about looks and 100% soley focused on mpg

While I do care about mpg I still care about looks
 
#19 ·
I won't be standing in line for this, even at $9000. Heck, and ATV coulda got out of that quarry, too. A better comparison would be the family and all the gear for a weekend camping trip -- the reason we want an SUV, right? Or say you're going hunting: which one is better to haul a dead moose out of the woods? I doubt the Panda would do as well in such 'real world' conditions. If, however, you're looking for a commuter car then the Panda probably is the better choice. Still with that ground clearance I wonder how good it would be in even 6" of snow -- I bet FWD Ignatz would do as well.

Comes down to why you want an SUV in the first place. You're losing a lot of space and comfort in the Fiat, and you're wasting a lotta $$ in the Rover. This choice/comparison really is a false dichotomy. In the high 20s MPG and comfortably sized, the Patriot is king of the middle ground. Can do as well as the Range Rover or the Fiat in likely 'real world' situations and be better in some, yet is quite economical in its own right.

If they want to improve the Patriot, all they have to do is keep it the same size and give it even better fuel economy and a little more power. What else to change?
 
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With the demise of the Patriot in UK, the introduction of the very nasty New Compass ( Mainly 4x2 in UK) & FIAT putting their sticky beaks in Jeep , my return to Jeep ownership now seems very remote!! Yes we do have some dealers with used Pats for sale , & great as my dealer has been , once a vehicle has been deleted , they lose interest very fast!!
 
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If that thing is any indication of what the Patriot replacement is going to be like, then I will be keeping my 2011 for about 2-3 years and upgrading to a Wrangler. I suppose that fits into their long-term marketing plan. Fuel mileage is a consideration for me, but there is no way I'm gonna drive anything that ugly.
 
#27 ·
Is this what you really want????

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I left instructions with my family, which in case I want to buy one of these, they send me to a psychiatric clinic, LOL
 
#29 ·
Well this proves my point that Fiat sux. Yes they have failed us again. I feel bad for all you UK folks who cant get a new 12 patriot. Why the hell would they take if off the UK market? There is a huge market for them in the UK.. I say GM or Ford buy out the majority of Jeep from Fiat.
 
#30 ·
I agree with The DeadInMe just cant work out the Chrysler / FIAT thinking behind deleting the Patriot in UK just as it was starting to get noticed & getting a good following among a certain group of 4x4ers.They introduce Dodge , then leave after 3 years so all Caliber, Avengers, Nitos & Journeys are now obsolete & unloved & are losing money like a Sperm Bank in a Monastery.Then Gen 1 Compass dropped, Commander & Cherokee disappear ( Liberty). Patriot Deleted ( Gas & Diesel ) ??????? Sebring & 300C do a Vanishing act. ( 300C was a pretty good seller over here). So now we have Wrangler ( Not a big UK seller ) Nasty new Compass 4x2 ( or 4x4 if you want to spend a shed load of cash on a soon to be deleted Jeep) Plus 2 Strange Chrysler badged Lancia that are only ever going to be minor players in the UK market. Me & my 14 year old granson could do a better job of running Chrysler UK!!!!!!!
 
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#37 ·
When I was in high school, I had a little Subaru hatchback. 2WD, and it was a little billy goat.

I like little, nimble cars that get places and use little fuel. It extends their range- and in the right application, is the right tool for the job.

I've spent decades traversing the country on two wheels, so every car seems plenty big enough for me.

...with one caveat: as long as there is plenty of room in the front, and the footwell. I'm 6'1", 240lbs, and my boots are 13EEEE. Too small, and I'd have to walk.