What I don't get is why FCA wants to sell jeep? I would understand if it was hemorrhaging money, BUT at this point, its like the only part of FCA actually making money...

To answer your question, Maybe? it depends on where its built.

Would I buy a jeep made in america by a chinese company? sure why not. its not like china doesn't already own 2/3rds of the US as it is. and right now FCA is owned by an Italian company, and a portion of their products are made in Italy as it is... so its not like that part would change.

Would I buy a chinese build jeep? No. Absolutely not.

Would I buy a jeep made in korea, japan, germany, belgium, The UK, etc? maybe? probably at some point, after they've proven their reliability.

 

Every Jeep for years now is a multi ethnic national bastard child anyways. In every Patriot are parts made in and from dozens if not more countries. At this point automakers have no national loyalty and of pure national origin aside from more than likely some small obscure automaker in a 3rd world country. Our modern corporate values and lust for profits over all have put a demise on auto manufacturing of the past.

 

AIC, you've got a point. FCA bought Chrysler to get a foot in the US market. The Chrysler and Dodge brands can't survive on minivans alone and Fiat sales are laughable. So if they sell Jeep and what have they got left? Its like selling your house with no place to live.

Croat, your commentary is unfortunately accurate. Why pay US wages when we can pay peanuts to foreigners to build cars they can't afford to buy themselves? Didn't Henry Ford say something to the effect of wanting his employees to earn enough to be able to be customers too?

Answering my own question, yes I would continue to buy Jeep, mostly out of loyalty to my local dealer. But not if they weren't building them in this country. I don't mind buying things from Canada and Mexico because they're our neighbors, but when companies go all around the world shopping for cheap labor, they're fully intent on exploiting them. I don't know about Canada, but I recently learned that Mexican autoworkers are paid about 10% of US wages -- that's just exploitation of our neighbors.

 

Some chinese cars are made in the US not China. Interesting decision to make if time comes?

 

I'll be perfectly honest. I probably won't own a jeep for a long time. I have 4 kids, If I buy a larger car, its got to fit at least 6 people in it. Jeep doesn't have that. I don't have brand loyalty, (well I did, but that company went bust, so yeah...), I buy the car that fits my needs the closest. I shy away from a lot of chinese stuff I want to last, but then there are brands, like Lenovo's Thinkpad line, that are made in china, but are of higher quality than your typical product. So maybe. Croat is right, half the parts are made there anyways. I wouldn't buy the first ones off the boat, that's for sure.

 

I wish jeep made an AFFORDABLE 7 passenger off road suv. Not this BS they are coming out with that is supposed to cost 70k.

 

I understand the perspective of its its not made in usa than its junk. My grandfather used to state that as I remember back in the 1980's and 1990's and he was born in 1918.

Now a days companies go to where they get the best deals. Most of our computer stuff comes from china, cabinets , shelves, and household items. are they less durable than the 1950's ? sure. They also cost less.

I do like the fact Jeep is "American" . As someone said many of the parts in our patriot are not american made, yes?

I dont have an issue buying a Jeep if the price is right, good quality, and its what I want.

why wouldn't I, I bought my computer, my clothes, my house, which are made from materials from another country. God bless everyone

 

I follow bloggers (one is from america, the other from south africa) who have lived in china for almost a decade, They have talked about chinese cars, and how chinese made cars are of very very poor build quality. Even chinese made VWs, BMWs, etc. are far below quality standards outside of china. that is what I base my opinion on. Like I said, I own a half dozen lenovo laptops, chinese company, chinese made product that are quite good. (their consumer line is not though...) So yeah, just like Kia/Hyundai of the late 80's early 90's they have quite a bit of growing up to do before I would consider buying a car from them. A car is a much bigger investment and expense and something I rely on far more than than say, a shirt, or a a blender.

 

I will throw in, there are vehicles mostly American made. The MK has 77-78% USA made parts. I believe the Honda Accord and a few other vehicles have, to the shame of Jeep and the Big Three, 100% USA made content.

 

Isn't tesla completely made in the US?

 

I Would not buy another Chrysler product!

 

Because the ownership is Italian, potentially Chinese, or you just don't like your Patriot?
Myself, I'd seriously consider a lightly used Patriot before I'd go for anything new from anybody.

 

Nope last 3 Jeeps I have owned or someone I know have owned are crap. 2008 Jeep Patriot .. rusted out chassis bolts, front end parts that wear out pre maturely . 2010 jeep Liberty Sky Slider problem. 2010 Jeep Patriot rusted out subframe , worn out front end parts , worn out rear end suspension parts .. Last good Jeep I had was my 1999 Wrangler lol

 

Nope last 3 Jeeps I have owned or someone I know have owned are crap. 2008 Jeep Patriot .. rusted out chassis bolts, front end parts that wear out pre maturely . 2010 jeep Liberty Sky Slider problem. 2010 Jeep Patriot rusted out subframe , worn out front end parts , worn out rear end suspension parts .. Last good Jeep I had was my 1999 Wrangler lol

You realize, of course, that FCA is fixing the sub-frames under an extended warranty . . .

I've had better luck than you. Altogether 9 Jeeps -- 2 AMC, 5 Chrysler, 2 FCA. All but one ('93 Cherokee) have been fine. A better dealer might have made me happy with that one.

My 2008 just passed inspection yesterday; the factory shocks are starting to leak but passed. Considering the kind of roads I travel, their longevity is remarkable.

So, back to the point of this thread, do you think Chinese management would produce a better Jeep?

 

Heard about the Chinese maybe buying FCA a while back.
If that happens, that would be the end of my buying new Chrysler vehicles also.
I'll buy from American assembled Auto Companies even though most of the parts are made in foreign countries.

What the hell is going on in this country?
It used to be we supplied most of the world with vehicles and now we've got foreign companies on U.S. soil with American labor and also assembled abroad producing vehicles with their profits going back to their countries.
And in some cases back to anti-American countries to boost their military.

Oh, i see U.S. jobs! We had plenty of jobs until the 'out sourcing' frenzy the last few decades.

All this reminds me of this quote:

When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.
-Joseph Stalin

 

I don’t see production leaving the US. There’s a reason that Japanese companies like Toyota built production plants(local to my state) for the Corolla and the Highlander. Cost to much to import them from over seas.


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Yep I contacted JeepCares they were the one that said nothing can be done

 

Strange, and disappointing, too. Seems if they cover older vehicles with a rust problem they'd certainly stand behind a newer one with the same problem.

 

Ah, so we need a Canadian equivalent of JeepCares.

 

I believe Canadian Patriot owners received letters from FCA Canada re bringing the vehicle into a dealer to have the front and rear subframes inspected for rust, and if excessive rust was found, it would be repaired. I have a 2009 Pat and got the letter early in the new year. I took it in to the dealer and they said it was OK, no doubt because I have had the vehicle Rust Checked each year. I think they will also inspect yearly out to 2019. Just call FCA Canada with your VIN.

 

Thanks cargy2003! That's much more what I expected. Seems Canada must get more road salt than us south of the 45th //. Glad they're standing behind them. I hope lkarus1 reads that.

 

A vast number of the parts on a Partiot are from China. So you pretty much have a Chinese Jeep already. Assembling in NA with Chinese parts allows Chrysler to claim it's a North American built car but if the parts mostly come from China...

My gearbox is standard and when I took it to my transmission shop to have the fluid changed I was informed about the Chinese components in the drive line. Also, the clutch disc springs are PLASTIC in a Patriot clutch. They've repalced quite few. Also, the synchro gears are not very robust. If you continually _push_ the shifter into first gear when there is resistance going in and you force it to go in you will be visiting a tranny shop sooner than later. They warned me about this as well...

 

Arsegon, check your build sheet/window sticker. 77% or 78% American parts. The engine comes from Michigan. The transmissions come from Mexico, or maybe China for the manual, probably Japan for the unnecessary conventional.

 

. . . the unnecessary conventional.

10-4 Good Buddy!

 

The Patriot was actually ranked in the 15 "most American" vehicles during its production: https://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/the-15-most-american-automobiles-of-2014.html/?a=viewall

My 2014 excellent, superb, reliable 6 speed Hyundai Powertech tranny came from Korea. At some point, production of the 6 speed moved to a brand new plant in Georgia: US Factory | Hyundai Powertech

Powertech America Plant in Georgia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLfckkaXYFqX3Y1j8p4OHEt9LhQDM61pVA&time_continue=1&v=ZIhuvxxzBcU

 

Seriously, you're buying from a country that threatens our own on a daily basis, and still holds the USS Pueblo hostage?

 

There is a world of difference between North Korea and South Korea.

 

There's also ways to give another person some flak. He said Korea....didn't specify which.

 

Flak? It appeared to me that you weren't differentiating between North and South Korea. Are Hyundai transmissions made in North Korea? Treegrower said they were a Korean company that was manufacturing in Georgia. Neither South Korea nor Georgia 'threaten [anybody] on a daily basis' nor do they hold USS Pueblo. I've been to Georgia and a friend recently traveled to South Korea. All reports are favorable. back atcha!

 

Nah, I know they're different countries. Hard not to, with "Rocketman" stealing Shatner's nickname and getting his name all over the news. Apparently the trans came from, umm, that peninsula.... ....before they moved production to Georgia. Been to Georgia myself, and I hear South Korea's ok, but it's still fun to troll, until somebody comes along and doesn't realize I'm trolling, haha.

 

Nah, I know they're different countries. Hard not to,

Well, knowing that you hail from the (very) general vicinity of Muskegon, I tend to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding matters of knowledge. :smile2:

Ignatz, I suggest you do the same also. Here's a snippet of the "outdoors people" that congregate in that area:

Emergency Crews Rescue Missing Tubers in Muskegon River....

"They said they were told the river went in a circle, and they would end up back where they started" (for real). They also insisted that it was the CVT transmission in their canoe that caused much of the problem.

 

Oh, haha. Canoe with a CVT? Very funny. Not everybody around here is the smartest, but you oughta know better than to blame even manual trans problems, paddling problems, etc. on the CVT.

 

We could debate transmissions until the cows come home, all for naught. This is FCA's newest transmission, predicted to change everything:

 

We could debate transmissions until the cows come home, all for naught. This is FCA's newest transmission, predicted to change everything:

Its been a tough month. ROFLOL. I really needed that!

 

I too saw Todd's post in JPATW...or whoever posted that nonsense. Still doesn't get the Pueblo back.

 

Now sticking with the point of this thread, does anyone think that Jeep's Chinese suitors will try reverse engineering the turbo encabulator?

 

No such thing. But the Chinese will rip off anything, real or not, if they think they can profit from it.