I'm not sure what kind of lug wrench you have, but if you have a piece of pipe that you can slip over the handle (cheater bar) to extend the handle and give you more leverage it might help.

If that doesn't work, you may need to have an impact gun.

 

What I have is different, it does have a slot for an extra bar if I wanted. I think though, it’s going to need an impact gun. Pretty crazy, I have the impact sockets but no gun lol… maybe something to invest in. Maybe a portable one.

It’s funny kind of, I was looking at impact wrenches just last week, and now I might need one lol.

I will try and see if I can get it into a shop. Would be a damn shame if I striped or broke a lug nut because I was inexperienced…

Thank You for your reply. I do indeed appreciate it.

 

Well, after excessive research into the damage that could be caused through over tightening, I think maybe we may have lucked out with possible severe damages.

I have strict insurance by choice. 10k km per year. I’ve already used a good 7k of that. I drive literally less than 120km per week, and when I do drive I’m mainly near the town or in the forest which I rarely drive past 60km. The roads I drive are well maintained, and the areas I go a car could achieve.

I feel the good in this negative is that I really don’t drive enough for it to have done serious damage. All the symptoms listed I am not experiencing. I just can’t get them loose. The only symptoms I have are in the mornings when reversing, but another admin on here already said that would be brake pad related.

Hopefully no damage has been done.

I’ve been reading that some newer vehicles are higher than the 100ftlb torque specification. It is possible that jeep over tightened them to this spec not realizing it’s only 100.

Honestly though, if I was that persons boss, he or she would be fired. Not doing the job right at a dealership of all places is a big no no for me. People go to the dealership expecting them to know what they are doing… how can I ever go back to that establishment knowing they don’t do the job right the 1st time? I can’t trust someone like that.

1st it was Fountain tire playing games and messing things up… then the dealership… doesn’t feel like an accident… but that’s just how I think.

Anyway. Have a Good Day.

 

Unfortunately, some shops (or at least techs) don't use a torque wrench to tighten wheel lugs. They'll just put an impact on there and give it the beans. That happened to me once. I always took my Patriot to the same shop for oil changes & tire rotations. Took her in one day and they told me they were having trouble getting the wheels off because someone over tightened them. When I informed them that they were the last people to touch the wheels, they ended up taking care of it. I don't really know how they got them off, just that they destroyed them and replaced them for free.

 

Good admin. This guy is very helpful. All of them are really.

Unfortunately I highly doubt I’d get that type of service here in a small town. Prices are high as is, giving freebies regardless of their own negligence is not likely to happen. I doubt I will be going to the dealership again. It’s just what is. I don’t want to risk it.

Same with fountain tire. I have warranty on these new tires. Never going there again.

I know a few other places I can check out, they are just a lot further away lol.

Thank You for your Reply.

 

It's a CYA thing some shops will do. They're scared to death someone's wheel is going to fly off and they'll get blamed. A couple shops near me make me sign that I'll bring it back in 50 miles (80km) and have them re-tighten the lug nuts. AFAIK its not usually a problem with steel wheels, but lug nuts on aluminum wheels can work their way loose.

To loosen my lug nuts I use a cross wrench. That way I can apply my "human torque" in two places. The only time this was a problem was trying to change the tire on my trailer. The trailer is light enough that I could actually turn the wheel and not the lug nut, so my effort was wasn't getting to where I needed it.

Too much strength applied and the studs themselves can break. I've not done it myself, but I've seen it happen.

When I was a kid I remember my Dad and his (very strong) friend managed to bend a wrench trying to loosen the lug nuts on the friend's '56 Ford pick-up.

 

That’s crazy. That’s a lot of strength. I’m pretty sure it’s not because I’m too weak, I had to apply the parking brake because the force of my own strength was moving the vehicle forwards… super strength sounds nice, but not at the expense of additional damage.

Thanks for your reply. Have a Good Day.

 

I decided instead of taking more risks, invest. At least I have the tool now. And yes, when I get stressed I don’t keep things personal… thanks for the edit. ✍

This item should achieve what I need.

 

I decided instead of taking more risks, invest. At least I have the tool now. And yes, when I get stressed I don’t keep things personal… thanks for the edit. ✍

This item should achieve what I need.

That DeWalt impact wrench is pretty awesome. If you've never used one before, don't expect it to pop the nuts off straight away instantaneously. They take some time to build up max torque.

 

DeWalt is a reputable name. I hope that works for you.

 

Maybe invest in a torque wrench also. Then, a socket wrench set.................then.........................

The other type of lug bolt damage that can occur is that it gets stretched from over tightening. If you have trouble threading the lug nut on/off by hand after removal, consider that you might have damaged, stretched threads which will require replacement of the lug bolts (not a terribly bad job).

With this type of thing, I would have taken it back to the dealer that over tightened them and insist that they make it right. That puts any subsequent problems on them, not you, i.e., one of the lug bolts breaks off during removal or is stretched like I describe above.

 

Ya, I have a dewalt one I paid for about a decade ago. Really decent, never lets me down. Use the power tool to remove, use the hand tool to tighten 👍🏻

Thanks 🙏

 

A little review on the Dewalt 911B portable impact wrench.

All night I’ve been researching this specific model, watched dyno tests, read many reviews, watched videos. Some say bad things, others say really good things. The dyno test shows it’s good for a guaranteed 250ftlb torque.

Like a child on Christmas morning, I just couldn’t wait, I had to see. It’s -24c it’s cold. From what my research states, as long as the battery is full, it should work with no issues.

So, I get my stuff on, go start the patriot, grab the impact socket needed. Go for a quick drive away from houses, get out and give er a go on the lug nut, which literally I couldn’t budge on my own. This thing is bloody loud! It’s got to be over 150db… it’s really really loud. And has massive rpms lol. I applied this tiny product to the lug nut at hand, pulled the trigger, held it in place, and literally seconds later the lug nut started moving. 🙏😁

-24 freezing cold - full battery, 1st ever use - and it works! (Sure I did t take it off, but the fact that it moved was good enough for me.)

I’d recommend this 911B to others alike. It does the job, it might make you def haha… guaranteed to do 200ft lbs of torque according to a dyno graph.

For changing tires 🛞 great for people wanting to avoid the shop.

I found this to be a bit pricey, it that’s just me. I’m not used to paying lots of. Im not used to paying high prices for anything really. I also live in a small community. So prices are 300% mark up.

Have a Good Day

 

Last post I will make for this thread. An update on the finished product.

My patriot seems to roll smoother now, it doesn’t feel like I have a drag at times like it did prior. Loosening these lug nuts was quite the task on the right side, I literally became worried. But then, with a bit of nudging upwards sideways and downwards it came loose and took the lug nut pretty much all the way out.

2 of 5 lug nuts on the right side were extremely tight! The others didn’t take much effort. And the left side also had tight areas, but this little piece of machinery did the job like Mighty Mouse lol 😂

I’m indeed impressed and pleased with my purchase. It’s indeed a good buy. Will come in handy for most work I doing the future. No something I’d leave in the vehicle year round, but for sure something I might carry with me when I know I’m going on a trek in the woods. 👌🏻🙏

Have a Good Day.

 

You had basically the same exact experience as I did. I had to order an impact wrench off of Amazon a couple of weeks back that broke the lugs free. The dealer here in Northern California was the last to touch my wheels and on that trip they ended up purchasing a new aluminum wheel because the mechanic had used the pneumatic wrench with the key for the wheel lock and you can guess what happened next--he stripped the key, meaning the wheel was locked on. Both the dealer and I got new keys for the wheel lock sent from New Jersey (they were Mopar wheel locks). While I drove around for a few days awaiting the new wheel and key(s) I was fortunate not to have a flat. They ended up having to chisel the lock off and they also recommended I don't use locks anymore, so I was out the initial investment for the wheel locks plus 3 keys and shipping. So fast forward to a couple weeks ago and I'm going to do a DIY tire rotation and the story is the same as yours. The impact wrench I purchased (Avid Power 1/2") made short work of the lugs that wouldn't budge. The battery charger for the Avid didn't work after the initial charge so I had to send it back, although the wrench worked fine. Being curious as to how tight the lugs actually were, I had my torque wrench set at 150ft pounds and it started clicking--meaning they were at least that tight....geez Louise! 100ft pounds is spec for my '08 Jeep Patriot and the 17" Aluminum Wheels I believe, maybe 105? Anyway, I just wanted to say I shared your experience. I'm checking all 20 lugs the next time I have my tires serviced, I may look stupid outside the dealer's office, but I'm not leaving until I verify I can break them all free, I'll take responsibility for torqueing them from that point. Thanks for sharing!

 

Good job!

 

If you don't already, I suggest getting some one-piece lug nuts. Some years back I had one of the OEMs get stuck while changing a flat on a trail and the cap ripped right off. We had to hammer a smaller socket on it and use a breaker bar to free it. I still have it, keep it on the windowsill in the kitchen.

Also we've been investing heavily in DeWalt tools in my side gig. We actually just got the big half inch drive mamma jamma impact wrench, the DCF961B. I'm itching to use it. 😅

 

for installation, consider something like this:

they have a clutch that limits your torque to a set value.... this one is100 ft/lb., they come in torque other settings. this tool is 20 bucks on evilbay, a set is maybe 50 bucks for a cheapo. nothing wrong with buying a torque wrench though.

I use an impact to install my wheels and then hit it with the T wrench set to 90 pounds. with the impact I run the nut until it first quits turning, I don't stay on it. that gives me about 1/4 to 1/2 turn with the T wrench for final torque

 

for installation, consider something like t
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they have a clutch that limits your torque to a set value.... this one is100 ft/lb., they come in torque other settings. this tool is 20 bucks on evilbay, a set is maybe 50 bucks for a cheapo. nothing wrong with buying a torque wrench though.

I use an impact to install my wheels and then hit it with the T wrench set to 90 pounds. with the impact I run the nut until it first quits turning, I don't stay on it. that gives me about 1/4 to 1/2 turn with the T wrench for final torque

for installation, consider something like this:

View attachment 99638

they have a clutch that limits your torque to a set value.... this one is100 ft/lb., they come in torque other settings. this tool is 20 bucks on evilbay, a set is maybe 50 bucks for a cheapo. nothing wrong with buying a torque wrench though.

I use an impact to install my wheels and then hit it with the T wrench set to 90 pounds. with the impact I run the nut until it first quits turning, I don't stay on it. that gives me about 1/4 to 1/2 turn with the T wrench for final torque

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for installation, consider something like this:

View attachment 99638

they have a clutch that limits your torque to a set value.... this one is100 ft/lb., they come in torque other settings. this tool is 20 bucks on evilbay, a set is maybe 50 bucks for a cheapo. nothing wrong with buying a torque wrench though.

I use an impact to install my wheels and then hit it with the T wrench set to 90 pounds. with the impact I run the nut until it first quits turning, I don't stay on it. that gives me about 1/4 to 1/2 turn with the T wrench for final torque

for installation, consider something like this:

View attachment 99638

they have a clutch that limits your torque to a set value.... this one is100 ft/lb., they come in torque other settings. this tool is 20 bucks on evilbay, a set is maybe 50 bucks for a cheapo. nothing wrong with buying a torque wrench though.

I use an impact to install my wheels and then hit it with the T wrench set to 90 pounds. with the impact I run the nut until it first quits turning, I don't stay on it. that gives me about 1/4 to 1/2 turn with the T wrench for final torque

Interesting tool, looks useful. I have a good Craftsman 1/2" Torque wrench for the final tightening and I do something similar to you but I use my drill/driver with a 19mm socket to get them going on (star pattern tightening with the drill and then same star pattern final tightening with the Torque wrench at 100 Ft lbs) If I can get the dealer to use that tool you showed I'd be good to go! (using a drill on a slow speed proves handy on the scissor jack also, but you probably knew that).

 

I guess I'm old school. My torque wrench has an open needle on a real gauge. It came with specs for all the popular makes, like Studebaker, Hudson, Packard, DeSoto -- not sure about Jeep, maybe Willys, IDK w/out going out to the garage to check. I think my wrench is about as old as I am.

Buy a good one, you'll never need another.

 

We had one of the needle gauge torque wrenches in auto shop (back in the 80's). I'm pretty sure they're still manufactured, just probably not with Studebaker, Hudson, et al oldies-mobiles, LOL. Sounds like you have a keepsake tool, keep an eye on that puppy!

 

Truth be told, I inherited it from my Dad. Obviously it still works and I've used it on my Patriot.

 

I don’t understand. If the dealer did it just take it back and have them make it right.

 

I have serious trust issues ... I'm not allowed to talk about it, otherwise my post will be removed or my account suspended. Sorry I can't elaborate further on this subject. This subject really makes me angry, livid, and violent in my thinking... Too many problems in too short period off time, too much spent, and too many stupid reasons in why people did stupid things.

Have a Good Day.