Makes a huge difference, looks great!

 

Thanks gdasher!

 

Nice, now you only need crowl gears...

 

That will be in my next Patriot, my Greek friend.

btw, stop trying to throw yourself over the mountain... no braking on ice.

 

I'm becoming more and more famous around the forum. Maybe someday I'll become the Sledge Of The Month... Of course it will be a winter month

 

Definitely point set match to big black.

A major difference is that you have hidden your can and they have not.
You should do them a favor and paint that eyesore.
The first thing you notice about a vehicle should not be its muffler.

That emergency generator muffler could use a coat too.

 

Definitely point set match to big black.

You should do them a favor and paint that eyesore.

That emergency generator muffler could use a coat too.

Thanks, too funny Joe... too funny.

 

Yeh, the 16x7 black cragars work well. Nice job.

 

Got any ideas on how to get the dirt to stay in the wheel well Copper?

I'm thinking more of gravel roads, where the gravel will sandblast the paint job on the body.

Cherokee flares perhaps?

 

I embrace the dirt, and dings, and gravel. I travel over at least 5 miles of gravel roads at least 6 days a week. I am from the school of less is more. Which is why I will eventually and tastefully spray on some black bed liner at the most gravel damaged areas. Have you seen my "nub" fix. If it's done right, it should be "stealth". Speaking of less is more, I will also hack off the rear of my Harley and "hardtail" it, put in a solo seat, get rid of anything that is not required by law to be there, and mount up a suicide shifter while I'm at it. That's the plan anyway. But so far I have been sticking to my plans.

 

whow Brandon, your Pat looks bigger and better!!! (you also have the right color)
But what makes best impression round here is that little precious sticker at the low left side of your rear window...

 

soon

But what makes best impression round here is that little precious sticker at the low left side of your rear window...

Thanks deres, your time will soon arrive my friend.

 

You pat looks realy cool.
Sad that neither the RRO lift nor the big tires are legal here .

 

Scheisse!

 

3.625 inches, how?

How did you end up with a total of 3.625 inches of lift? A 2" RRO lift and what did you do for the other 1.625 inches?

 

Nice photos. It makes all the difference when you can see them side by side.

 

Think I got the math figured out

I believe that you are adding the 2.125 inches from the RRO lift and a tire difference that from 215/65/17 to 245/70/16 is 1.5 inches in diameter. These numbers would add up to 3.625 inches but your true lift is really only 2.875 inches. This is because even though your tires are 1.5 inches taller, the center of the hub to the outside edge of the tire is only .75 inches different. Meaning that your hub center and the rest of your rig only gained that .75 inches of lift from the tires. This .75 inches plus the 2.125 inches from the lift kit put your total lift at 2.875 inches. Hope this explaines it right.

 

we were both wrong... but I am mostly right.

This is because even though your tires are 1.5 inches taller, the center of the hub to the outside edge of the tire is only .75 inches different. Meaning that your hub center and the rest of your rig only gained that .75 inches of lift from the tires. This .75 inches plus the 2.125 inches from the lift kit put your total lift at 2.875 inches. Hope this explaines it right.

November 9, 2008 Photograph.

I bet that you have not seen that old pic right, scotty h? That was me before the lift... see how the Trail Rated FDII was shorter than me then? .75 inches would be far from an accurate vertical gain. The FDII is supposed to have only been 1" inch taller than the FDI. So why would my alleged .75" inch vertical gain that you speak of raise me higher than the FDII before the RRO lift I installed? It does not compute... looks more like 1.5" inches to my eyeball. If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. Look at Chewbacca... he is a wookie, on planet Endor with Ewoks... a wookie on planet Endor... it doesn't make sense!

I originally had 205/70/16 at 27.3" inches replaced with 29.5" inch tires, giving me 2.2" inches overall diameter, cut in half to make 1.1" inches before the lift. The lift (2.125" inches) plus the tire's (1.1") inches gives me a whopping total of 3.225" inches. epper:

So I reject your calculations and inflate my 3.225" inches with my December 2008 POTM decal to bring me up to 3.625" inches. That is the reality that I accept and substitute 4/10ths of an inch with my former POTM status. epper:


Bottom line... I'm rounding up.

 

it's not how many inches you have, but what you do with them.


let's see that Pat get dirty!

 

That's what she said! eh? epper:

 

There is one more thing, the red one is trail rated, that means higher then standart FDI that would look like family saloon next to Cooper's Riot

 

Thanks my friend! family saloon...lol.

 

Looks nice mate.

Now go and find some mud, hills and trails and show us what the Pat can do.

 

So how high can you go in Finland?

Here it's 40 or 50mm. I can't remember.

Either way I've put the RRO lift in and told the insurance company of it and its on the policy.

 

So how high can you go in Finland?

Here it's 40 or 50mm. I can't remember.

Suspension lift limit for regular passenger cars (M1 class) is 51mm. For off-road vehicles (M1G class) - which the Patriot is fortunately registered as - the limit is 77mm. There are two different total lift limits (you can in addition to suspension lift also lift the body, change tire size...) also, 100mm for class M1 and 150mm for class M1G.

Well lifting is not illegal per se here.
But if you want to sell car mod stuff here that changed something importand on your car the manufacture/seller needs to tests the stuff before to get the paper we call Allgemeine Betriebserlaubnis to make it legal.

So in other words you can lift it, but before selling the vehicle you have to return it to stock condition?

 

still the same height

If you must round up, what ever floats your boat. The way I see it is if I were to do the exact same components on my rig the total lift would be 2.875 inches. With this our rigs would be at the same hight so I guess what I'm saying is the total lift amount really doesn't matter only how things look afterwards. As far as the POTM status you talk about, get over it that was in the past, I congratulat you but there are plenty of other POTM's as well. Lets just all use this site for info sharring and Patriot gossip, etc. and let the next POTM take the spotlight.

 

Scott,

Point taken... but my point was that if I only gained .75" inches. Why then was my FDI sitting higher than the FDII when it should have been lower? I don't walk around with a tape measure on my Batman utility belt, but I would guess that I am at least a half inch taller than the FDII back in November before I installed the RRO lift. Perhaps you did not see the picture in my previous reply. Look at the difference in height on the side mirrors and the tops of the fenderwells.

Thanks for the verbal judo.

Brandon

 

Another photo comparison / unlifted FDI and FDII / lifted FDI and unlifted FDII

:dead_horse:
Unlifted utes November 2008

FDI lifted February 2009

and closer...

Had to :dead_horse: when point is still not taken. Not trying to be an arse, however I may come off as one. epper:

 

I think he meant that the company (or someone else willing to front the money) has to have it tested before it is legal to sell (and I assume import) for use on a vehicle. I would also assume that you can't buy the parts elsewhere and bring them in. Do they have some version of an inspection there? If you drove to a different country and had the lift done, would it be legal to keep it in Germany?

 

Yes we have regular 2 years state inspection.
Well you can import liftkits or lifted Patriots from every country to germany and make it legal. the problem is that "to make it legal" will cost you much money and i´m talking about 1000-3000€.
So it´s cheaper to wait until a company offers a liftkit here.
So the company need to test it first and make it legal one time.
If you then buy this liftkit you will get a document wich declares that it´s legal and it´s ok to install the parts on every Patriot here.

 

I haven't gotten around to posting my before and after measurements but I believe the RRO advertised 2.125" lift is gained with a combination of the spacers and the larger tires you can put on.

I know the factory literature says the FDII has 9" of ground clearance but that's probably right as it rolls off the assembly line...I know mine was slightly lower when I took measurement at 6k miles before I installed the lift.

I also went to a dealer and measured the ground clearance on several MK's at various points and never was able to a consistent measurement...usually off by a few 1/16's of an inch.

A few friends with Liberty's have said they've gone to measure ride height at the mirrors since they often had different shocks, springs and tires depending on manufacture date and location. This practice could serve as a base point for us to make comparisons from.

 

I believe Rends is speaking of TÜV. ja, oder?

 

correct
How do you know it?

 

Ich war im Babenhausen, Hessen von 1996 bis 1999. Ich verstehen nur ein bischen

 

Cool, i hope you had a nice time there.

BTW: Could it be that you have the highest liftet Patriot on earth?

 

Have you taken your pride and joy off road yet and given it a good test?

If yes how did it perform.

I have found the RRO to work great off road. No probs what so ever.