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PatriotFanLaz

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Hi Everone!

My name is Laz and I'm a Jeep Patriot fan... Pre purchase, and I spend way too much time looking at them on Autotrader! I'm in the UK, and am interested in making the jump to ownership. I've been doing research, and this community has been invaluable. You guys really are awesome. I've joined to ask a few specific questions from the brain trust. The potential Pat would be a second car, occasionally used for day outings to the beach with our little one, taking garden waste to the tip and on holidays towing motorbikes. A car that I don't have to be precious about, but one that fulfils the above brief with plenty of fun. To tick those boxes, I'm looking at sorting a sound system and some visual / mods to make it look ace. Thank you everyone for your assistance with my queries in advance!
 
Well, I hear alot about people doing things with speakers and touchscreens, though I admit i don't see the point in prioritizing that on a vehicle that makes its claim to fame on a badge that speaks of simpler charming little vehicles in the Jeep name. While I may eventually put different speakers in as mine may be worn out, they still work and priority right now is keeping it intact(replacing rusty body panels, as it lives in Michigan like me) and considering how to make it more effective at off-pavement driving without sacrificing too much effectiveness as my daily driver for the times I'm not out on the road in an 18-wheeler.
 
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Hi Everone!

My name is Laz and I'm a Jeep Patriot fan... Pre purchase, and I spend way too much time looking at them on Autotrader! I'm in the UK, and am interested in making the jump to ownership. I've been doing research, and this community has been invaluable. You guys really are awesome. I've joined to ask a few specific questions from the brain trust. The potential Pat would be a second car, occasionally used for day outings to the beach with our little one, taking garden waste to the tip and on holidays towing motorbikes. A car that I don't have to be precious about, but one that fulfils the above brief with plenty of fun. To tick those boxes, I'm looking at sorting a sound system and some visual / mods to make it look ace. Thank you everyone for your assistance with my queries in advance!
Hi Laz, welcome to the forum!
Cheers Sandstone! :)
 
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Well, I hear alot about people doing things with speakers and touchscreens, though I admit i don't see the point in prioritizing that on a vehicle that makes its claim to fame on a badge that speaks of simpler charming little vehicles in the Jeep name. While I may eventually put different speakers in as mine may be worn out, they still work and priority right now is keeping it intact(replacing rusty body panels, as it lives in Michigan like me) and considering how to make it more effective at off-pavement driving without sacrificing too much effectiveness as my daily driver for the times I'm not out on the road in an 18-wheeler.
I'm 100% with you on some of that. Modding a car when either the mechanicals, the frame or body isn't straight is a bit silly. It'll catch up to you pretty quick, then you're stuck trying to flip it back to original, or discovering that the beloved winch you put on the front or upgraded stereo isn't everyone's idea of a "value add".
Thankfully in the UK we don't have winters like you do, but they do salt the roads. Pats in the UK had their last official model year in 2011, so sub-frame and body rust is an issue that I'm checking on as it's becoming a general concern. The annual safety inspection record for cars is public in the UK, so you can check the history of Pats for sale. It's a very useful thing. Check this ad which looks ace, but then if you go to go to this site and enter the Registration "WN60 GXS" and you can see that everything that's been wrong with it.
Based on what I've seen the suspension pins & bushes seem to be a weak point, as just about all have it called out as having free play or being dangerous. Snap for the cam belt, so I'm budgeting for those jobs on top of the mods and I will not be going anywhere near a CVT...

The mods I'm planning are to suit what we'll do with the car. We don't plan on off-roading at all, so no lift kits etc. are needed. The stereo upgrade is about ticking a box for a 15 year old kid that spent way too much time at motor shows looking at car stereo stands and Alpine gear he could never afford until now. I love music, so something that hits is definitely a must. From a safety perspective I am also not a fan of touch screens, I prefer tactile buttons / knobs. But for me the stock stereo needs to be dragged into this century, and not just in the speaker department. I'd use Google Maps / Android Auto more often than a winch.

You're right the Pat does trade a bit on the Jeep's brand image, but it was designed to tick a lot of other boxes like MPG and some practicality for daily drivers. Pushing the car for better off-roading at the expense of that, is a personal choice (or there's always a wrangler?). I loved the look of what some of the guys on here did with larger wheel & tyre combos and a PWM, but will need to get some feedback of how that impacts on the MPG side of things. We have a newish 7 Series BMW as "the refined family car" so I'm not looking for the Pat to plug that hole. I drove a new Compass in 2019 as a rental. It was nice, but I like the Pat more exactly for the utilitarian vibe. I also get why they dropped the Pat vs the Compass which is basically a junior burger version of the Grand Cherokee. Would I like the Pat if it was more "refined"? probably not as much.

The battle now is to find the right one, in the best possible condition. ;)
 
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Welcome to the site! You will love your patriot if you end up getting it.
Thanks Oompah!

It'll happen sooner, or later!

I've gone so far as a test drive. It was an Overland spec, but when I test drove it, the left rear wheel arch was visibly repaired. You could see the cut line being a little off, and not as "sharp" as the rest of the car. There wasn't anything in the vehicle history to reflect the damage, so that was a massive red flag. And the paint had something thrown at it as well, that left a mark in the clear coat. The dealer tried to disguise it by putting almost like a WD40 type oily film on the car, as it hid the splash marks a bit.

While that was ultimately a flop and I had to walk away, I did like the drive... Quite "truck like", but it fits the vibe of the car.
 
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Update: Sooooo I found an immaculate 2011 2.2 diesel with the Merc engine, 48K Miles. MOT / registration history was really clean other than a couple of front tie end / bushing remarks. Had the audio package, so it was all looking good. But typically just as we were bout to discuss financials the dealer let me know that they've discovered an oil leak under the car. They're checking it out, but said it could be either the engine or the tranny. The dealer is looking into it, and will let me know but the engine / tranny dropping oil isn't something that I saw as an issue. Should I be concerned? If we go ahead, I'll try and squeeze a 12 month warranty on both. Dealer is 3.5 hours away, so it may be moot, but hey. Fingers crossed.
 
It sounds like your dealer intends to be honest if they brought up the leak. A dishonest dealer would have cleaned up the spot and sold it to you. At least they brought it to your attention. I'd say give 'em a chance to fix it, but of course before you sign on it.

And yes, asking for a warranty is a good idea. Many dealers offer it anyway. Typically they can buy the warranty to cover themselves. In most cases a dealer doesn't know much more about the vehicle than you do so they need to protect themselves.
 
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It sounds like your dealer intends to be honest if they brought up the leak. A dishonest dealer would have cleaned up the spot and sold it to you. At least they brought it to your attention. I'd say give 'em a chance to fix it, but of course before you sign on it.

And yes, asking for a warranty is a good idea. Many dealers offer it anyway. Typically they can buy the warranty to cover themselves. In most cases a dealer doesn't know much more about the vehicle than you do so they need to protect themselves.
Yeah Cheers Ignatz...
That was my first consolation thought as well, while I was rummaging for a coping mechanism about the potential loss. It was ÂŁ7K, so at the very top of the range for Pats in the UK. He dropped me a message yesterday to let me know that the issue was terminal, so they're sending the car back to auction. They probably bought it at a wholesale dealer auction with some kind of warranty to return it. Whatever the fix, it must not economical at the margins they had. If it pops up elsewhere I at least know the registration number, so I know what's up with it, and can check if they fixed it before buying it potentially. I asked him where it's going, to see if I could snap up a bargain / project, but he's been silent on that. I'll try and ask him again. Transmission / engine failure at 47K miles on a car with full service history wasn't something I expected, but either way, that Pat is gone for now. The dealer has a few GCs and Commanders, so I suspect he'll have another Pat soon enough. It's just trying to find a low mileage 2011 model w/ the Boston audio package may take a while. I told him that's what I was after, so hopefully he can find one.

In the UK of the 2.2 diesel CRD Limited, there's 200 cars left on the road, plus 9 not registered. I suspect a fraction of that will have the Boston Audio package. JEEP PATRIOT LIMITED CRD - How Many Left?

The alternative is to get the Overland trim, which is the 2.2. as that comes with the Audio. They're a bit more risky as they launched in 2010 with the non-Bosh injectors. There's 66 left of those, so finding a late 2011 model again could prove tricky.

The search continues! :unsure:
 
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