5 speed manual transmission problems

Ignatz · Aug 18, 2016

thederrick106 said:
With so many reports of transmission bearings going, I wonder if something in their design was out of line causing inappropriate pressure on the driveline.

When I was a kid my folks bought a 1966 Chevy II wagon that had manual tranny problems. I was too young to drive but I remember my Mother being stopped at traffic lights and not being able to get it into 1st gear. She could tell it wasn't going into gear even though the column shift moved into position -- it just didn't feel right. When the clutch engaged it would grind. She'd try again and it would go into gear as normal. After a couple years of this there was a recall for a defective (bent) steering column. The transmission was never right but I bet the bent column damaged during those first few years. Like you say, some inappropriate pressure/stress on the gearbox.

Mom wasn't alone; my Dad hated that car too, and there were more unrelated problems. Its the only car I ever saw him abuse: He put it in gear and -- %@$% -- it went into gear! Guess Mom wouldn't/couldn't put that kind of oomph into the shift lever. They sold it the month the payments ran out. He bought a 1969 Dodge and never looked back; it was the best car He ever owned. Dad used to work for Chevrolet back in the 1950s, too. Best thing GM could have done was to give us a new car -- they lost so-o-o many sales after that. Over the next 40 years I can think of 13 new Chrysler products our family has bought -- maybe more if I really thought hard on it.

java4jay · Aug 19, 2016

2014 2.4L Sport, FWD 5 Speed Manual, 24K Minnesota miles. Throttle lag when shifting biggest issue for me. Opened a ticket with Jeep but still won't resolve. I've learned to drive the Jeep the way it's tuned vs. me pushing it to be what it isn't.

Ignatz · Aug 19, 2016

ColoradoMan said:
The jeep patriot manual I drove did awesome. I beat up that vehicle by driving it off road, burning clutches and crashing it a few times. 50k miles when I got rid of it. The transmission nor anything else in the car failed. There was body damage from the last accident.

. . . and it got wholesaled to a dealer in Paicines, CA where MrDewsDad bought it. He's told us 'the rest of the story.'

Anyone buying a used anything must consider that however nice the dealer has cleaned it up, the previous owner may have used it rough or skipped the maintenance. I had a lot of cars when I was on the road. While I always did the maintenance, by 100,000 miles the tranny and suspension had worked hard. I'd trade it with tires that would barely pass inspection, but the next owner would have to replace them soon . . . then the shocks and struts . . . then the transmission . . . and the ball joints . . .

That said, once the person got past those repairs, it was probably good for a while to come. I can imagine the 2nd owner got tired of the repairs and sold it cheap after 10-20,000 miles just to unload it: "What a lemon!"

So the 3rd person got it and says, "Yeah, its been great. Had to replace the rear wheel bearings early on, but since then I've put 50,000 trouble-free miles on it. Comin' up on 200,000 miles and I'd trust it anywhere."

ChrisinVT · Aug 19, 2016

2009 Patriot Limited 5 Speed here.

Bought new. Just had the Front Transaxle rebuilt last week, pinion bearings, syncros, the works. Covered under the lifetime powertrain warranty, thankfully.

First problem we've had with the drivetrain. 215K

-Chris in Vermont

thederrick106 · Nov 16, 2016

ChrisinVT said:
2009 Patriot Limited 5 Speed here.

Bought new. Just had the Front Transaxle rebuilt last week, pinion bearings, syncros, the works. Covered under the lifetime powertrain warranty, thankfully.

First problem we've had with the drivetrain. 215K

-Chris in Vermont

I wouldn't complain about that at all! With proper maintenance 200K is about the life expectancy of modern vehicles parts IMHO anyways.

Both of my current patriots are still going strong (knock on wood) 2016 w/ 6 speed auto, and 2014 w/ 5 speed standard.

It seems like many people here had premature problems with the 2012 or so year patriots. I really think something was out of alignment on the unibody and or engine/ transmission mounting points causing things like main bearings and seals to go at crazy rates. It doesn't take much miss aligning pressure to cause things to wear funny.

Pacerized · Nov 17, 2016

thederrick106 said:
I wouldn't complain about that at all! With proper maintenance 200K is about the life expectancy of modern vehicles parts IMHO anyways.

Both of my current patriots are still going strong (knock on wood) 2016 w/ 6 speed auto, and 2014 w/ 5 speed standard.

It seems like many people here had premature problems with the 2012 or so year patriots. I really think something was out of alignment on the unibody and or engine/ transmission mounting points causing things like main bearings and seals to go at crazy rates. It doesn't take much miss aligning pressure to cause things to wear funny.

I agree with the 200k or so lifespan on a lot of parts but I think the 2.4 has a solid 300,000 miles in it.

Blade3562 · Mar 14, 2018

Going to be necro bump a thread over here. My sister has a 2014 Sport 2.4L 5 speed manual "4WD" with around 70K that she purchased new. The Jeep has never been off-roaded or modified in any way. Over this past weekend it killed its second transmission (first around 30k). It's suffering the same symptom of the last failure which was a loud whine/grind under load. Jeep is replacing it under warranty again. I would assume it's some sort of bearing failure, and will report back with the results. They are tearing down a new case to compare to hers to document the failure.

Just figured I'd chime in with another failure. Everything else has been perfect. Delving into Lemon Laws now, we'd hate to go down that route, but it would appear a third failure is inevitable.

Ignatz · Mar 15, 2018

Or maybe third time's a charm? Its good to hear they're backing the warranty. Also nice to see a brother sticking up for his sister.

On the bright side my Wife drives a 2014 5-speed and so far its been trouble-free (80,000 miles). Usually manuals are more durable than automatics but everything has a defect level.

Oh, hey, you're new here! Please drop over to the newbie threads and introduce yourself to the others. We've got a helpful bunch on here. Please stick around, learn what you can, share what you know.

Blade3562 · Mar 16, 2018

Minor update there's actually another 2.4 5 speed "4WD" patriot at the same dealership as hers with the same exact issue. Trying to get more information on it from her, will report back.

Slightly · Jul 4, 2018

I have a 2012 jeep patriot 4cyl 5 speed manual transmission. I just recently bought this from a small local dealership. It has popped out of gear once. I also hear a kind of bump bump bump noise that seems to be coming from the rear of the vehicle (this seems to mostly happen when I am at low rpm in second gear) . I am a bit scared of this because I am a single parent who just wanted a more reliable vehicle.... I'm pretty sure I signed a one month warranty with the dealer. Has anyone else had this same issue and if so, I would love to hear what the issue was and the outcome.

sweeper · Jul 10, 2018

Mine just went @ 150,000 miles, free replacement.

Ignatz · Jul 11, 2018

Slightly said:
I have a 2012 jeep patriot 4cyl 5 speed manual transmission. I just recently bought this from a small local dealership. It has popped out of gear once. I also hear a kind of bump bump bump noise that seems to be coming from the rear of the vehicle (this seems to mostly happen when I am at low rpm in second gear) . I am a bit scared of this because I am a single parent who just wanted a more reliable vehicle.... I'm pretty sure I signed a one month warranty with the dealer. Has anyone else had this same issue and if so, I would love to hear what the issue was and the outcome.

A transmission should never pop out of gear.
A bump-bump-bump in one particular gear makes me think of a bad gear. I hope not. But you said it comes from the rear? Patriot trannies are up front.

If its a small local dealer they may take better care of you than the big city dealers. Tell them your problem and see what they can do.

silverflash · Jul 11, 2018

Blade3562 said:
Going to be necro bump a thread over here. My sister has a 2014 Sport 2.4L 5 speed manual "4WD" with around 70K that she purchased new. The Jeep has never been off-roaded or modified in any way. Over this past weekend it killed its second transmission (first around 30k). It's suffering the same symptom of the last failure which was a loud whine/grind under load. Jeep is replacing it under warranty again. I would assume it's some sort of bearing failure, and will report back with the results. They are tearing down a new case to compare to hers to document the failure.

Just figured I'd chime in with another failure. Everything else has been perfect. Delving into Lemon Laws now, we'd hate to go down that route, but it would appear a third failure is inevitable.

I believe that lemon laws only cover during the 1st 24k miles or so. At 70k miles with a 3rd trans failure, it's not a lemon.

I would be interested to see what they say this time though. I have a 2013 4x4 5spd with 73k miles and so far no issues BUT there is a whine especially at highway speeds that has been there since 800 miles on it- i bought new at 450 miles- they drove it 400 miles from west va to nc. The driver prolly did something wrong like going too fast with a new car or something. Regardless, it hasn't gotten worse and i have changed al the fluids a few times now. I did notice the PTU is dirty every time and i sent it off to blackstone and they said had excessive iron in it so something is wearing but jeep doesn't care- they won't honor 3rd party labs. LOL. I do have lifetime warranty that i bought with it so i should be covered when it pukes..

Slightly · Jul 12, 2018

Ignatz said:
A transmission should never pop out of gear.
A bump-bump-bump in one particular gear makes me think of a bad gear. I hope not. But you said it comes from the rear? Patriot trannies are up front.

If its a small local dealer they may take better care of you than the big city dealers. Tell them your problem and see what they can do.

I hope your right about the bump in the back. Its definitely from the rear of the Jeep. At first I actually thought there was something rolling around back there. A friend mentioned it could be the exhaust bumping off of something underneath. I crawled under there myself and tried to wiggle the exhaust pipe to see if it made contact with anything and from what i could tell it did not. I was just trying to replicate the noise I heard.

As far as it popping out of gear... It has only happened once. It could have been my error. Maybe I didn't have it fully engaged. It has been a while since I've owned a manual.

The fella from the local dealership has it right now and is looking over the things I mentioned. I hope he actually fixes what needs fixed and doesn't try anything shady. Thank you for the input and If you have any other experiences or suggestions, I'm all ears. Ive owned subarus for most of my life so I'm interested in what the Jeep ppl have to say

Ignatz · Jul 12, 2018

Slightly said:
Its definitely from the rear of the Jeep. At first I actually thought there was something rolling around back there.

Now that you said that, is there a chance you have something loose and rolling around in the spare tire compartment? A loose jack could cause a heavy metallic rattle. That might be all is.

JeepCares · Jul 13, 2018

Slightly said:
I hope your right about the bump in the back. Its definitely from the rear of the Jeep. At first I actually thought there was something rolling around back there. A friend mentioned it could be the exhaust bumping off of something underneath. I crawled under there myself and tried to wiggle the exhaust pipe to see if it made contact with anything and from what i could tell it did not. I was just trying to replicate the noise I heard.

As far as it popping out of gear... It has only happened once. It could have been my error. Maybe I didn't have it fully engaged. It has been a while since I've owned a manual.

The fella from the local dealership has it right now and is looking over the things I mentioned. I hope he actually fixes what needs fixed and doesn't try anything shady. Thank you for the input and If you have any other experiences or suggestions, I'm all ears. Ive owned subarus for most of my life so I'm interested in what the Jeep ppl have to say

Hi Slightly,

We are glad that you are currently working with your dealer to have this resolved. If you are in need of additional assistance while your vehicle is in service, please send us a PM.

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java4jay · Dec 4, 2018

My 2014 Patriot Sport FWD 5-speed manual transmission is shot at 40k miles... Junk !!!

Ignatz · Dec 4, 2018

java4jay said:
My 2014 Patriot Sport FWD 5-speed manual transmission is shot at 40k miles... Junk !!!

What exactly happened? Lose a gear?

Pat-Riot11 · Dec 5, 2018

Also chiming in on this thread. I have a 2011 patriot sport 5 speed that has "popped" out of first gear since new. I took it back to the dealer as soon as I noticed it (It happens under load, like when you accelerate a little then let off the gas but do not push the clutch in). I have currently 92k miles on it and the only "tranny" issue I had was a main shaft bearing that went bad at about 85k miles. we thought throw out bearing as a noise was prevalent when the clutch was not pressed, but noise went away when the clutch was depressed. I had the transmission torn apart to get to the stupid 30$ bearing and all internals "looked good" according to my tech with 25 + transmission experience. On another note, I have developed a weird "shuttering" sensation in the past month or so. When I start out in 1st I sometimes (but not always) have to rev it up higher than before to keep from getting a "shutter" in the front end equivalent to feeling like it's stalling out from not enough gas. I'm talking revs are around 1800-2000 rpms. It seems much more prevalent when the engine is cold vs at operating temp. Just curious if anyone else has had this happen?? Thanks

Ignatz · Dec 5, 2018

Pat-Riot11 said:
On another note, I have developed a weird "shuttering" sensation in the past month or so. When I start out in 1st I sometimes (but not always) have to rev it up higher than before to keep from getting a "shutter" in the front end equivalent to feeling like it's stalling out from not enough gas. I'm talking revs are around 1800-2000 rpms. It seems much more prevalent when the engine is cold vs at operating temp. Just curious if anyone else has had this happen?? Thanks

Dropping by this thread again. My Wife's 2014 Patriot (2.0 5-spd) has had a chatter in reverse from new. We've just gotten used to it. After all, how far do we go in reverse?

As for that stalling sensation, we have a 2011 Wrangler (6-spd manual) that acts like yours does, but not our Patriot. It seems to happen anytime, and I'd say less likely when its cold. I've gotten so I can almost recognize it coming on, sorta like a sore throat precedes a cold. It seems to happen when I've used the clutch a couple times in quick succession without much of a load, like just nudging it forward in stop & go traffic, or when maneuvering my trailer. I can tell that if I put a load on it, its going to stall. (I've been driving manuals since 1970 so I'm not a novice at this). I've learned to do as you do: rev it high for a couple seconds before giving it a load. Frankly I must look silly in a level intersection revving the engine to get moving, but if I don't I'll look even sillier stalled in the middle of the intersection.

When it does this, it feels like its starving for gas. My guess is that there's a glitch in the software and the drive-by-wire just isn't getting the message that there's a load coming and its not ready for it. Its thinking "I've gotten by this far by cutting the fuel supply, I'll just keep doing it," so when the load comes, its not ready to give it what it needs.

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