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Ok, for the first time ever, I took my Patriot out to an official off-road event just half hour drive from me. It was an event in the woods, with heavily rutted muddy tracks and some deep deep mud pools (of which my Patriot certainly did NOT even attempt to cross!)

Leading up to the grass field and event marquee, was a pretty bumpy and slightly muddy gravel track. What am I letting myself in for, I thought! When I got to the field, it was basically one pretty heavily rutted, grassy mud pit. If anything, this was more slippery than anywhere else in the woods, as I was to discover later. I did lose traction slightly in the field, but generally my Patriot ticked along nicely and was in control 90% of the time.

I parked up and had a chat with the event organisers, they checked over my vehicle, and gave me the all clear. Appreciating I didn't have skid plates, tow hooks, proper mud tyres or the best clearance in the world, I still had a decent pair of semi off-road Michelin tyres with good tread, and a four wheel drive car. It was enough.

I had an initial drive round in this guy's modded old school Cherokee, which can handle pretty much anything. Most of the other 4x4s there were Land Rovers (as it's the UK), many of which were older discovery models, and defenders, which were heavily-lifted with huge mud tyres. There were numerous jeeps though too, nearly all of which being older Cherokees/Grand Cherokees with one Wrangler, and of course my lonely Patriot representing us! There were a couple of random pickups too.

Anyway, went round the site with an organiser as passenger. We stuck to easier tracks, but they were still heavily rutted, extremely bumpy, with some deep puddles. The Patriot barely slipped. He was surprised at how well it did, as was I. He also said it was the most comfortable 4x4 he's been in in a while!

Now, it was my turn to go it alone! After having a bite to eat, I got back in my Pat and took it into the woods. I hit some real thick muddy ruts, lost a bit of traction, but felt pretty safe most of the time. I then got to a dense bit of woodland which had some real bumpy root-plates to watch out for. My car started making a squeaking/scratching noise when turning sharply. I started to get concerned but carried on. Then I went to the dark-side!

I drove to another area of the woodland which was heavily rutted and had some mad deep mud pools (of which I didn't even contemplate driving through, as the Pat would not have succeeded, for a fact). I watched some modded land rovers and cherokees drive through though, mud everywhere and the odd vehicle having to be towed out. (I'm talking, 3, 4, 5 ft deep water probably!)

Anyway, I got to a loop in the circuit and stopped. I was a tad concerned. As I really set myself up to take it one of two tracks. The left one was far too dangerous for my Pat so I didn't think twice about attempting, there was a huge dip and probably about 2, 3 + ft or water. My Pat just doesn't have the clearance for this.

So I had to take the more gentle mud pool, which was 1 to 3 ft deep. (Well, it appears to seem that way on the front of my car!) I gave it a bit of gas and drove through the first pool, no problem! Although, a hellish sound on the underside of my Pat. Oh God! I panicked a touch and when I didn't have the momentum to get up the slope to the next mud pool, I rolled back, put the handbrake on and stopped in the water (which wasn't that deep here). I got out to look for someone to give me a hand as I'm not experienced in this driving, but my colleague showed up in his Cherokee luckily. I then asked if he'd be able to drive me out the pool, up the small slope, into the next pool and out back onto the rutted track. He initially failed the first time, but then gave it more gas and got up the slope and out the pool no problem. Awesome! The next bit was tricky, I had to follow the ruts between two trees and my Pat started to slide left (which was sloping downhill too!), and down that way was a deeper mud pool! The guy who drove me out got on the left side of the vehicle to push me right, while some other folks pushed from behind the car. Gave me the momentum to get up and within the two trees safely. I was then back on some heavily rutted tracks but took it slowly and the Patriot really handled pretty well.


Given the clearance on this car, and the fact I didn't have proper mud tyres, I am damn impressed! My Pat did better than I expected, to be frank.

I have some photos and my dash cam caught a lot of this on video, which is awesome. I'll upload some of the photos here soon, and perhaps make a YouTube.

No warning lights came on (apart from the traction one which is to be expected) while sliding, and I cannot see any visible damage to the underside. Nothing is hanging off, and it drove home with no problems. They said I should pressure-wash around the underside and brakes etc.

Anyway, I think with more clearance and some proper mud tyres, this is one real capable "small SUV," and those who mock the Patriot don't know what they're talking about. This car can do a lot!
 
Not car, JEEP OIIIIIIIO. Otherwise, absolutely agree with you. The capability it already has, the naysayers, and the lack of existing aftermarket all give me some motivation to stick with it.
 
Anyway, I think with more clearance and some proper mud tyres, this is one real capable "small SUV," and those who mock the Patriot don't know what they're talking about. This car can do a lot!
Yep, you're exactly correct!

IMO the 2.2 turbo diesel may be the most off-road capable model of the Patriot.

From the specs I've seen, it has a little less HP than the 2.4l, but has nearly the same amount of torque as the Cherokee XJ in-line 6 H.O. which is right around 220 ft/lb.

From what I've been able to gather, the traction control system is very close to what the FDII has.

Take all that, add the skid plates and tow hooks, a set of STU coils with a small spacer lift to max the lift without exceeding the inner CV joint angles, JKS roll bar disconnects in front to get the axles independent of each other, and you should be able to keep up on the trail very well.:smiley_thumbs_up:

Look forward to seeing the pics.
 
Thanks for that post. I'll watch for your videos.

I haven't taken on anything like you did, but I've been in mud a couple times. Not by choice but by chance. Once an uncharted trail that Garmin put me on (one @#$% of a shortcut!) I posted in the FWD threads, the other a poorly maintained town road in mud season. I learned later that locals w/out AWD park at the foot of the hill and hoof it to their houses. If I'd had a small car someone probably would have told me not to venture up there, but since I drive a Jeep people just assumed it was 4wd and I went unwarned. Mud season in New England is that awkward time between snow and green-up, usually the first month of what the calendar calls "spring," when dirt roads turn into muddy ruts.

My Patriot is only FWD and on both occasions I'll admit to being nervous, but the ol' boy got me through just fine. Had I known what I was heading in to, I likely would not have ventured into it. Looking back on it, that miserable town road was deeper mud. The uncharted trail was more hard-packed snow and the mud was shallower, probably still frozen a few inches down. Significant hills in both cases, and they were the toughest going. I'm not used to applying that much power at such slow speeds, but the drag was quite noticeable and the power was needed to get through it. In snow power is the enemy, but in mud it was quite helpful. (I wonder if that's why southerners apply power in snow? Maybe they're used to driving in mud and think power will help.) The town road was much sandier; the trail was a more earthy mud. I think the sandy mud, though deeper, was easier to handle -- the earthy mud more slippery, or was that the frozen tundra beneath?

The other factor was in the sandy mud it was on a rural town road, but at least there were houses around and I could find help had I needed it. The trail was in the middle of nowhere and if I got stuck I would have been in a real pickle. How to get help? AAA wasn't coming up there! :(
 
Sounds like you had good time! The Patriot is a lot more off road capable than most people give it credit for. Like Sandstone says. a lift, some disconnects, and some skid plates, and who knows where you can go. Just always be prepared and let some one know where you're going.
 
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Yep, you're exactly correct!

IMO the 2.2 turbo diesel may be the most off-road capable model of the Patriot.

From the specs I've seen, it has a little less HP than the 2.4l, but has nearly the same amount of torque as the Cherokee XJ in-line 6 H.O. which is right around 220 ft/lb.

From what I've been able to gather, the traction control system is very close to what the FDII has.

Take all that, add the skid plates and tow hooks, a set of STU coils with a small spacer lift to max the lift without exceeding the inner CV joint angles, JKS roll bar disconnects in front to get the axles independent of each other, and you should be able to keep up on the trail very well.:smiley_thumbs_up:

Look forward to seeing the pics.
2.2 turbo diesel?! Does that exist?! I know mine is a 2.2 diesel but not sure about the turbo bit?!

Either way, it did a damn good job the other day. I'm about to upload several photos here, and I have loads of footage on my dashcam. I will get round to uploading that too if I can.

Yeah, when I was driving round through thick ruts too, this wrangler owner from the off-road club was telling me that my four wheel drive system was doing a great job. He was surprised at how well my Patriot did!

I'll think about modding my Patriot one day, but when I have the money and time!
 
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I took the right track, the left was for no stock Patriot imo!



More terrain from the woods



Some modded land rovers having fun! (They went through some REAL deep water!)



Here is where I drove through two deepish pools (deeper than the water in this pic suggests) and grazed the underside of my Pat on thick mud. It made a horrendous sound and when I went to get up this muddy slope, the Pat didn't do it as I probably went too slow and didn't have the momentum. I panicked a touch and just thought without ruining my car, I'll wait for help to arrive and let a pro do it. This guy with a Cherokee arrived and did it on his 2nd attempt. All it needed was a bit of gas really, he made it look easy!



My Jeep in middle next to the Cherokee of the guy that helped and a modded land rover.





Some after photos of my Patriot. I'm sure I could get it muddier next time!
 
2.2 turbo diesel?! Does that exist?! I know mine is a 2.2 diesel but not sure about the turbo bit?!
I could be wrong about the turbo, but..

"Beginning next year, Jeep will be switching to a Mercedes-sourced, more efficient 2.2-liter common rail turbocharged inline four-cylinder diesel engine making 163-horsepower. On the outs is a VW-derived turbocharged 2.0-liter 140-horsepower inline four-cylinder diesel."

European Jeep Patriot Switching from VW to Mercedes Diesel Power
 
Ohhh, if I had the budget to visit properly....that looks like more fun than seeing how fast my Jeep would be 'round the Eboladrome!!!!

As I understand, if a budget(which I know none of us have) allows, a North American spec vehicle such as, oh, say a Patriot, can be allowed to zip around Europe if it is registered in North America. Useful for military personnel and rich folk who want to use their own vehicle for transportation on any continent. You wouldn't happen to be able to confirm?
 
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