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What do people here think of the 2.4 Liter VVT World Engine?

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#1 ·
I posted a different thread about my engine troubles, it is has like a piston slap sort of noise.

This isn't the newer versions that i think have been called Tigersharks or Multiair engines. It was the generation before that that had VVT.

Do other people that have this engine have trouble with piston slap type issues or have they been decent engines for people?

I've seen that recent 1.8L engines that Hyundai put out (they helped Chrysler and Mitsubishi develop the World Engine I think) have trouble with what sounds like piston slap like my engine does now (with only 60K miles).

How many miles have people gotten out of their 2.4L VVT engines? Did they develop issues like mine has?

Thanks,
 
#2 ·
I got 275,000 miles out of my 2.4 world engine. I sold my Patriot to a friend and it's still on the road. Never any internal problems, but I replaced the TB around 250,000 miles. It was starting to use maybe 1/2 quart of oil between changes before I sold it. Down on the stick but no need to add more.

I've got a Patriot 2.0 (also a world engine) and at 150,000 miles it's running fine.
 
#3 ·
I have posted here about the 2.4L GEMA engine several times. It is made just down the road from me (well, 70 miles) in Dundee Michigan. My OCD pre purchase research of the Patriot included investigation of it's drive train reliability. Note that I am not talking about the Tigershark version.

My trusted, professional MOPAR mechanic friend told me that when Chrysler bought out the rights to the engine after the FCA change, "they made a few minor improvements to an already reliable engine". My opinion parrots information I studied on the internet. The Dundee built engines do NOT share the problems that the Hyundai/Kia versions have. When I searched for engine problems, hardly anything showed up. One engine rebuilding company said that the ones they get in are mostly due to high mileage wear, not mechanical design/manufacturing problems. Compare that with an internet search of Subaru engines. In 2014, the engine was described as "dated", without the advancements of more modern engines with GDI fuel management, turbos, better mpg and power, etc.. In my book, this is a plus regarding reliability. The engine is described as a "sewing machine motor" - somewhat noisy/buzzy and unsophisticated. It lacks the power and get-up-an-go of it's competition, so says the reviews. Since reliability is my highest priority vs. performance, this doesn't phase me.

The one Achilles heel I am aware of is the plastic geared throttle body which tends to break in the first 100K miles. They are cheap (under $250), easy to DIY replace ($600+ at dealer), and not a major engine rebuild type of component. Approaching 100K miles, mine is just starting to use a tiny bit of oil - great compared to today's small engines where oil consumption seems to be rampant.

Good drivetrain reliability was high on my purchase decision choice. The Patriot has other annoyances tied to it's entry level build quality, but I can live with them without costing lots of money.

Hope this helps!
 
#5 ·
. . . Note that I am not talking about the Tigershark version . . . Approaching 100K miles, mine is just starting to use a tiny bit of oil - great compared to today's small engines where oil consumption seems to be rampant . . .
The Tigershark problem is well documented on the Renegade and Compass forums. FCA has recently initiated a "campaign" (not a recall) for the Tigershark oil consumption problem. It is a software update! :rolleyes: Computers are wonderful things but I have my doubts that the oil consumption problem is software related. More likely it's a way to dodge (pardon the pun) a lawsuit: Fiat Chrysler Facing Class Action Over Alleged Engine Oil Consumption Defect. That lawsuit states things I've posted on the Compass owners forum such as 1) It's not "normal," 2) Shutting down without warning is an outrageous safety concern, 3) A low oil indicator would mitigate the safety issue, 3) Yes, people should check their oil dipstick, but with a brand new vehicle most people don't expect a problem so they don't.

I've had two World Engines and both have been 100% reliable with no issues whatsoever.

I've had two Tigersharks.
  1. The first started out at 1000 miles/qt. and improved(!) to about 3000 miles/qt. That is what I'd expect from an engine at 300,000 miles, not 30,000 miles. Notice I said it improved to 3000 miles/qt. It started out worse. That Compass came to an untimely end when it got totaled.
  2. The second has been fine, using only a smidgen at first (normal during break-in period) and essentially none since. Still, "once burned is twice shy," so I check my oil every week. Now it's at 40,000 with no problems.
The reason the Tigershark shuts down is because the hydraulic lifters use the engine oil. When they can't get oil they can't operate and it dies, right where it is -- in the middle of an intersection, the left lane of an interstate (at rush hour) or off in the mountains where there's no cell coverage.
 
#9 ·
220,500 on my 2016 high altitude 2.4 w 6f24. Constantly changing vvt, cam sensors. New crank and o2 sensors. Not burning much oil. P0013 means timing is good but problem with vvt, they both operate. Maybe spring jammed, one seemed. I made sure they moved good, clean and reinstalled. I also cut vvt plugs off and soldered wire directly to them. Lol. Trying anything to get every penny out of it.