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The great oil filter mystery

23K views 36 replies 18 participants last post by  NHPATRIOT  
#1 ·
On Thursday (yesterday) I took my '09 Patriot 4wd 2.4l down to my mechanic/friend to have a few things done and checked out, including an oil/filter change. I purchased the filter and oil the other day, choosing a Fram TG10060 filter. This is listed as compatible by both O'Reilly and Autozone's website, Autozone's store guide, and Walmart's computer terminal in the autoparts section.

We installed the filter but when the car was turned on, oil sprayed all over - it was coming from between the filter and the pan. We checked the tightness but it was on as tight as it would go. My friend removed the Fram filter and compared it to the Napa filter we'd taken off and concluded that they were not the same. The relative heights of the contact rings were different between the filters.

Down at the nearest Napa we got a Napa Gold filter, 7060 series, which Napa's website confirms is correct for the '09 Patriot. That was installed with no issues.

Everything I've checked says the Fram 10060 series filters are supposed to work on the Patriot. I verified that the filter was a 10060 filter (in case it got swapped in the box) - and it did say 10060 on the actual filter. But I agree with my friend that the ends don't look the same between the Napa and the Fram.

Anyone have any idea what happened here? I guess I can't rule out that the Fram was simply defective, nor have I had a chance to look at another Fram 10060 to make sure it looks the same as the one I got, but I find it very odd, to say the least.
 
#4 ·
I've used the Fram PH10060 myself, so I know they normally fit. Maybe the one you have did not have the threads cut correctly?
 
#7 ·
Glad to read you found the problem with no damage. I always fill the new filter with the new oil a few times until it is really soaked in, then rub some of the fresh oil on the gasket as previous posters noted.

I just changed the wife's brand new 2014 Pat Lat oil last night at 898 miles. Quite brown, but drained just about 4.5 qts. exactly. I am not going to stray from OEM Mopar filters bought from the selling dealership, keeping filter and oil receipts. I did upgrade the oil from the standard Pennzoil filled at the factory to Pennzoil Platinum 5W20 - great deal at WallyWorld for a 5qt. jug. at $24.00.
 
#15 ·
When I worked at a local Q-Lube during high school (they are called Jiffy lube's now following the late 90's merger) one of our safety checks on every car was to check the stud and plate for the oil filter. Loose stud can cause the filter to fall off - and yes a double gasket will make your car piss oil down the road.
 
#20 · (Edited)
Warranty issue because you use better filtration... LOL:smiley_thumbs_up:


My last car set-up. Dodge Caliber SRT4 I going to the dealer for rear wiper issue. Believe it or not the dealer said... you know buddy your car got heavy modification! ok now what is the relation between rear wiper issue and turbo upgrade and motor built? no anwser... they change the rear wiper under warranty.

 
#18 ·
Technically speaking, the higher bypass pressure would be preferred as less chance of dirty oil bypassing the filter should you blip the rpms real high. As for the better or not...the filter element paper is likely the same, but it is a larger filter. So you get a tad more oil capacity and a larger diameter filter area for trapping more dirt (provided the filters aren't identical in size internally and it's not just a larger can).
 
#22 ·
I do the same thing on my Lebaron with it's 3.0L V6, I found a similar but LARGER oil filter and use that one for a little extra filter material and oil capacity. I'll have to find a photo to share soon. Fits perfectly and have been using it that way for several years now.
 
#23 ·
I love the " don't buy Fram" responses. You actually think buying a fancy filter makes any difference in a daily driven car that gets scheduled oil changes?

Nope. They all do the same thing, filter all the oil sent to them. They would never go into bypass in normal conditions. So again, no point.

Actually filters that "brag" that they filter down to XX micron may do more harm than good, they slightly restrict oil flow, and can plug up faster on a neglected engine, going into bypass mode and filtering nothing.

So stay with oem or any filter, like Fram, don't waste you money on boutique filters, they net nothing "we'll, they do lighten your wallet of all that extra cash"


This post seems to be a one off issue with a filter, hopefully the OP will post pics of the filter because we all know what a 10060 looks like and we may see the issue. Then all he had to to is get a different one.
 
#24 ·
You can waste money buying an inferior product that costs the same or even more than the same product from another mfg that is higher quality as well. Fram filters are cheaply constructed and cost just as much as or even more than other filters made better. There is no reason to use a Fram filter ever. I will exclude the new Fram Ultra's from that statement even though I wouldn't use them.

I always love the "Fram filters are fine" posts as much as you seem to enjoy the don't buy them posts. My personal experience, both using them and selling them, tells me otherwise. JUNK!

People don't say to avoid Fram's because of filtering rates. They say to do so because of inferior components used to build them. Cardboard end caps, media that is poorly glued together with fewer pleats, thin can, cheapass ADBV, etc... Why would I ever buy a Fram when I can get a Wix or a MOPAR or a Purolator or a "insert name" filter for the same or less money that is made so much better?
 
#26 ·
BTW you know why our jeep use ATF-4 in manual tranny? I will tell you, to save money like this the dealer keep one oil in the garage for any tranny. I got some friends in SRT Engineer... Same for none synthetic fluid for diff... lol Now do what you want but I got 100% synthetic Redline 75w90 in my diff and manuel tranny fluid Redline MT-90 trans fluid and my jeep did not explode yet.
 
#27 ·
Good Morning,
I am the Tech Director at FRAM. Hard to speculate what the problem is but we would like to see the filter. You can mail it to me and I will send you back a case of FRAM Ultra filters for your jeep in return and post results in this forum from the findings. Or, you can call 800-890-2075 and file a quality claim with FRAM. they will send you a kit to mail in the filter, test it in our lab and report the results back to you. If it is defective you will be reimbursed for parts and labor. Your choice. If you mail it to me, just contact me at jay.buckley@framgrp.com for the mailing address. Sorry about the problem, would like to help get it solved.
 
#33 · (Edited)
I used to use Fram oil filters all the time. When I got my Mitsu Evo, the filter called out in the Fram filter guide would not even screw on to the oil filter adapter on the engine. I took it back to the auto parts store and got another. Same thing. Went back the guy behind the counter gave me a purolator and asked me to try it. It fit and worked. Then I traded the speedster on an Outlander with a V6. Different engine, same story. No more frams for me. I hear others say they suck, others say they are good. I am of the opinion that with regular changes, all the standard oil filters are pretty much the same, and premium oil filters are like K&N and Mobil 1 super whatsit are a waste of my money at three times the cost. However, having Fram filters that are listed in their guide as fitting my vehicle only to have them not even go on, raises concern with me. If they can't get their guide right, what else is going wrong? I usually go with Napa gold from Napa or a Purolater from autozone or advanced.