[silverflash]

so it doesn't matter now as i just replaced the transmission fluid with valvoline ATF+4 like the last time, but i noticed that redline atf+4 is NOT listed as a licensed brand on this:

Licensed Brands | Chrysler ATF+4® Licensing Program

on redlines' site it states:

https://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=53&pcid=9

"Satisfies Chrysler ATF+, +2, +3 (Type 7176) and ATF+4 (Type 9602) requirements"

and the licensed brands link it states:

"Use of non-licensed ATF brands may damage your vehicle or void your warranty. Please contact us to report unauthorized use of the ATF+4 trademark by non-licensed brands. If you do not see your brand listed here, it is not licensed."

so, looks like redline is wrong here? I'd love to use redline in my 5spd trans but not if it's going to damage anything. I've had good luck with redline in other 5spd transmissions in the past like my old Hyundai accent.

thoughts?

 

[miketmx]

When I had our 2008 I asked my regular mechanic about using Redline and he phoned the distributor and the answer was NO. So I had him use the Patriot approved fluid.

 

[Ignatz]

Don't know the details on your Patriot. However, if you have the CVT definitely use the licensed fluid. Non-CVT fluid will likely give you trouble.

 

[silverflash]

Don't know the details on your Patriot. However, if you have the CVT definitely use the licensed fluid. Non-CVT fluid will likely give you trouble.

I have the manual trans per my original post and signature.

it requires ATF+4 mopar or an equivalent licensed brand.


I used a licensed brand, valvoline atf+4.


my question was why redline has one that supposedly works, C+ATF, and states it meets the oem type 9602, yet it's not on the list of licensed brands. is redline doing something here illegal/shifty? or is it an oversight from the license list?

i played it safe, as always, and used a licensed brand this time and the other 2 times i have changed the fluid.

 

[Ignatz]

My this is confusing. I just figured ATF meant automatic transmission fluid. Indeed the post says "for manual."

I myself can't imagine what's so special about a manual gearbox that would require a special dedicated product.

My cynical guess is that FCA wants royalties and 'approves' fluid from companies that have paid a licensing fee. Maybe someone else can enlighten us to a real/better reason.

 

[festerw]

My this is confusing.

I just figured ATF meant automatic transmission fluid. Indeed the post says "for manual."

I myself can't imagine what's so special about a manual gearbox that would require a special dedicated product.

My cynical guess is that FCA wants royalties and 'approves' fluid from companies that have paid a licensing fee. Maybe someone else can enlighten us to a real/better reason.

ATF has been spec'd in some manual transmissions for awhile along with gear oil, motor oil and specialty manual fluid.

It flows better than gear oil at a low temp and protects well at high temps. It can also have something to do with the materials in the transmission for example the NV3500 used bronze synchros and the use of non approved fluid will lead to failure in short order.

 

[kramer]

Yes, ATF fluid has been put into manual transmissions back in the 1980s. It reduces noise and wear in colder climates over gear oil.