The official Jeep press release says all Patriots will be equipped with "drive controlled, three-mode ESP." As far as I can tell that's a 1st for Jeeps. Any idea what those three modes will be? Maybe off-road, snow, and normal? All I can see in photos is a ESP off button.
Three-mode ESP?
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My FDI CVT doesn't work as described. Mine does the same as someone else posted, if you hold the button the light eventually turns on, then after another 7 seconds or so turns back off. At this point it's non-responsive for a few minutes. No chime, nothing. I think somethings screwy here. I may never need it, but I would like to know it's working correctly in case I ever do need it.
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Mine is a 2007 FD1 base model with manual transmission. It does do what they say. If I hold it in for 5-10 seconds the chime sounds and it says ESP off. I have needed to use the ESP off mode in deep snow and driving steep dirt hills. I would be very upset if it didn't work!
08 CVT here, push the button skwiggly car shows up, then push and hold for a few seconds ESP OFF displayed.
That being said I have yet tyo be able to tell the difference between the 3 settings. The last time I was stopped I was on a very steep sand hill and had all 4 spewing sand in STD mode, trying to go further in any setting was pointless and taking another run in either 1'2 or full off resulted in the same end. As a matter of fact I no longer even put my rig in true 4x4 as it also seems to not make much of a difference. Maybe I am not pushing my rig that hard but I have been stuck and have the scratches on the sides and a few dents in the bottom to show its bush time and I still can't tell the difference.
I wish Light beer was as good as the computer in this thing!
That being said I have yet tyo be able to tell the difference between the 3 settings. The last time I was stopped I was on a very steep sand hill and had all 4 spewing sand in STD mode, trying to go further in any setting was pointless and taking another run in either 1'2 or full off resulted in the same end. As a matter of fact I no longer even put my rig in true 4x4 as it also seems to not make much of a difference. Maybe I am not pushing my rig that hard but I have been stuck and have the scratches on the sides and a few dents in the bottom to show its bush time and I still can't tell the difference.
I wish Light beer was as good as the computer in this thing!
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Yeah, I was amazed at the differences in operation, but only ever noticed in deep snow (4" of slush and snow) and sand. For the most part, mine worked. Once, in sand, the EVIC told me that it was ESPOFF, but the true behaviour was that the throttle weas being limited. After transitionning to neutral, and re-engaging ESPOFF, the proper behaviour returned.
I have a 2007 4x4 FD1 made before Apr2007, and was nervous about getting it reflashed with that TSB for fear of losing my proper ESP button operation. After the reflash, I still have access to all 3 modes, and it still drove well in the mud. YAY!
We'll see if my original problem ever returns ( having the EVIC tell me "espoff" and still being RPM-limited to 1500 or so RPM). It was a hard problem to reproduce anyway.
I have a 2007 4x4 FD1 made before Apr2007, and was nervous about getting it reflashed with that TSB for fear of losing my proper ESP button operation. After the reflash, I still have access to all 3 modes, and it still drove well in the mud. YAY!
We'll see if my original problem ever returns ( having the EVIC tell me "espoff" and still being RPM-limited to 1500 or so RPM). It was a hard problem to reproduce anyway.
That's a good tip. There is evidence that what the EVIC says and what state the system is in are not necessarily the same. So putting it in neutral and redoing the ESPOFF thing is good to remember.
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on my 07 FDII, there's a huge difference with ESP OFF. It turns off the horrible hill decent control (ABS automatically actuating when rolling down an incline), which is a useless function IMO.
So has anyone actually gotten any answer from their dealer on this yet? What we seem to know so far is the 07 FDI work as described in the manual and the 08 FDI's work more like the 4x2's? Seems all the FDII's work as described.
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Chrysler might listen but they don't hear!!
What I wrote to Jeep:
Chris, Please don't pester my dealer with this. We have already been
over
this with them. Have you found what is causing these Patriots nation
wide
to not acknowledge ESP full OFF? I simply want my vehicle to function
exactly as the manual describes. Is that too much to ask? I will get
increasingly angry as next winter gets closer if this is not resolved.
What they said to me:
Dear Todd:
Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center.
If the issue is not resolved by the dealer and you change your mind,
please let us know and we will contact them.
Thanks again for your email.
Sincerely,
Chris
Customer Service Representative
Chrysler Customer Assistance Center :doh:
ROUND 2: What I said to them:
Chris,
I have not changed my mind. Do you (Chrysler Jeep) have a solution to my (and many other Patriot owners) ESP OFF problem that you can discuss with mechanics at my dealer to fix this malfunction? If so, yes, by all means, call them and let them know! They will be the only dealership on Earth that will be able to fix the vexing Patriot ESP problem!
So I ask again, has a solution to this problem been developed at a corporate or manufacturing level? Did you issue a service bulletin?
DEALERS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS YET!!!!They are waiting for service information from Jeep.
Once again. Don't bother my dealer until you have a NEW service bulletin on this topic to share with them.
What I wrote to Jeep:
Chris, Please don't pester my dealer with this. We have already been
over
this with them. Have you found what is causing these Patriots nation
wide
to not acknowledge ESP full OFF? I simply want my vehicle to function
exactly as the manual describes. Is that too much to ask? I will get
increasingly angry as next winter gets closer if this is not resolved.
What they said to me:
Dear Todd:
Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center.
If the issue is not resolved by the dealer and you change your mind,
please let us know and we will contact them.
Thanks again for your email.
Sincerely,
Chris
Customer Service Representative
Chrysler Customer Assistance Center :doh:
ROUND 2: What I said to them:
Chris,
I have not changed my mind. Do you (Chrysler Jeep) have a solution to my (and many other Patriot owners) ESP OFF problem that you can discuss with mechanics at my dealer to fix this malfunction? If so, yes, by all means, call them and let them know! They will be the only dealership on Earth that will be able to fix the vexing Patriot ESP problem!
So I ask again, has a solution to this problem been developed at a corporate or manufacturing level? Did you issue a service bulletin?
DEALERS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS YET!!!!They are waiting for service information from Jeep.
Once again. Don't bother my dealer until you have a NEW service bulletin on this topic to share with them.
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What they wrote back.......this time
This is another installment in my ongoing service request to have my Patriot actually say "ESP OFF". I think I might have made a little impact this time. Up until now I think they had dismissed it as some idiot that can't figure out his car. At least they claim they are going to bump it up to the "dealer and business center". I wish I knew if that was really getting somewhere or not. Here is the copy of my interactions:
What I wrote to them (Jeep)
Chris, I have not changed my mind. Do you (Chrysler Jeep) have a
solution to my (and many other Patriot owners) ESP OFF problem that you can discuss with mechanics at my dealer to fix this malfunction? If so, yes, by all means, call them and let them know! They will be the only dealership on Earth that will be able to fix the vexing Patriot ESP problem! So I ask again, has a solution to this problem been developed at a corporate or manufacturing level? Did you issue a service bulletin? DEALERS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS YET!!!!They are waiting for service information
from Jeep. Once again. Don't bother my dealer until you have a NEW service bulletin on this topic to share with them.
What they wrote back
Dear Todd,
Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center.
I forwarded the file to the dealer and business center for further
investigation.
Thanks again for your email.
Sincerely,
Chris
Customer Service Representative
Chrysler Customer Assistance Center
I guess I'll just have to wait to see if I hear from anybody else.
This is another installment in my ongoing service request to have my Patriot actually say "ESP OFF". I think I might have made a little impact this time. Up until now I think they had dismissed it as some idiot that can't figure out his car. At least they claim they are going to bump it up to the "dealer and business center". I wish I knew if that was really getting somewhere or not. Here is the copy of my interactions:
What I wrote to them (Jeep)
Chris, I have not changed my mind. Do you (Chrysler Jeep) have a
solution to my (and many other Patriot owners) ESP OFF problem that you can discuss with mechanics at my dealer to fix this malfunction? If so, yes, by all means, call them and let them know! They will be the only dealership on Earth that will be able to fix the vexing Patriot ESP problem! So I ask again, has a solution to this problem been developed at a corporate or manufacturing level? Did you issue a service bulletin? DEALERS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS YET!!!!They are waiting for service information
from Jeep. Once again. Don't bother my dealer until you have a NEW service bulletin on this topic to share with them.
What they wrote back
Dear Todd,
Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center.
I forwarded the file to the dealer and business center for further
investigation.
Thanks again for your email.
Sincerely,
Chris
Customer Service Representative
Chrysler Customer Assistance Center
I guess I'll just have to wait to see if I hear from anybody else.
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After reporting problem to my dealer and telling him we're a bunch of Pats like that, he said he would check it out.No. I have not had any Flashes. (hot, cold, back, or otherwise) Although we may be on to something. If a car were originally programmed with the wrong model programming, say a 4x4 programmed with 4x2 software, that might explain what is going on here. I'll quiz my dealer a little more about that possibility it next week.
Say!? How many of you who have cars that do not show the "ESP OFF" in the display had your cars built during the February shut down? I know mine sat for over a week partly finished. Perhaps programming of vehicles got goofed up somehow because the flow of vehicles was interupted.
I phoned today and talked with the workshop technician. He says there is a bulletin about this and that the computer needs to be flashed. Something like wrong programming of esp mode. Told me to get an appointment, half an hour job. Wife works with Patriot on week days, dealer is 125 km away from home. Don't know when I'll be able to go.
Seems we're on the right track...really anxious to have this done and see if it works. Will let you guys know. If someone has this done in the mean time please post results here.
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Is there a bulletin reference number?
I have a 07 Pat with FD1 and a 5 spd. Mine does show off. Just pushing the putton once will turn on the partial on mode, to get to full off mode I have to come to a complete stop and hold the button for at least 10 seconds, the chime will then ring and the odo will say ESP OFF.
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Phoned back, was told bulletin reference number is not available just like that. Will show up when computer is connected for flash operation depending on VIN and date built.
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http://www.wkjeeps.com/misc/Patriot/TSB/tsb_0500507.pdf
This is a TSB from Milous' list that concerns esp for 2008 Patriot date 12-19-07. Problem is different yet it indicates the procedure. So I guess reprogramming and new software are the way to follow for the 3 mode esp function.
This is a TSB from Milous' list that concerns esp for 2008 Patriot date 12-19-07. Problem is different yet it indicates the procedure. So I guess reprogramming and new software are the way to follow for the 3 mode esp function.
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I'm not holding my breath for a fix....... here is another thread on the issue.
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6627
Email Chrysler Canada and complain about it, they sent me a $50 mopar coupon for complaining
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6627
Email Chrysler Canada and complain about it, they sent me a $50 mopar coupon for complaining
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My recommendation would be to give them the opportunity to fix. If they cannot follow the Lemon Law route (CAMVAP in Canada). You would really have an iron clad case.
As pointed out fully disabling ESP does leave certain features on, however it disables the key ones that would interfere with you having a true 4x4 (4WD). In addition it is all captured in the manual so no dodging how it should work irregardless of which 4x4 (4WD) model you have.
If they cannot get your Patriot to function as designed they would have to buy it back or provide a new one.
As pointed out fully disabling ESP does leave certain features on, however it disables the key ones that would interfere with you having a true 4x4 (4WD). In addition it is all captured in the manual so no dodging how it should work irregardless of which 4x4 (4WD) model you have.
If they cannot get your Patriot to function as designed they would have to buy it back or provide a new one.
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Exactly Homac,
I think discussion on the matter is turning in circle. Who went to the dealer for a flash concerning this issue? We're all playing a guessing game as what is the problem or solution. Be sure once I go to the dealer for this fix, I'll be like a pitbull if they don't come up with a solution. But like Homac says « give the guy a chance»
I think discussion on the matter is turning in circle. Who went to the dealer for a flash concerning this issue? We're all playing a guessing game as what is the problem or solution. Be sure once I go to the dealer for this fix, I'll be like a pitbull if they don't come up with a solution. But like Homac says « give the guy a chance»
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