Electronic Stability Program (ESP), which aids the driver in maintaining vehicle directional stability in severe driving maneuvers on any type of surface. ESP features three modes -- "full on," "full off" and "partial on."

 

I tried to engage ESP full off yesterday and I did not get an acknowledgment on the odometer like it says I would. Has anyone else actually seen the ESP OFF warning on the odometer? The manual says to put (a 4x4 only) the car into ESP full off, hold the ESP button for 5 seconds. Then a warning will show on the odometer. Mine does not do that.

I was using my Patriot to do "swamp patrol" on my 1/2 mile long muddy driveway, cutting slots to drain deep puddles, and I wanted all wheels to be turning as much as possible.

 

I tried to engage ESP full off yesterday and I did not get an acknowledgment on the odometer like it says I would. Has anyone else actually seen the ESP OFF warning on the odometer?

Yes. I don't think mine says ESP OFF, but rather shows a picture of a jeep with squiggly lines behind it, presumably indicating the jeep is skidding out of control or something

 

just pressing the esp button puts the dash light on with the jeep and squiggly lines, holding the esp button for like 5 secs when esp is on "esp off" comes on where the odometer is.

 

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That is the way I understood it too. Mine never shows "ESP OFF".

 

I thought that was what it does when it is in partly off mode. That is good though, I was curious if it was an FD2 only thing. Since yours doesn't do it either then it should be all 4x4s.

The manual claims it will show ESP OFF in the odometer until you touch the reset on the odometer or the ESP button.

 

I tried full off on my compass yesterday, engine running in neutral with parking brake on. It worked, showing "esp off" in my odometer display (I don't have EVIC). I did not test it to prove it was truely off. It never disables brake TC (electronic limited slip per owner's manual) for split surface friction and alwasy re-enngages fully over 35mph.

 

u really have to hold it long than 5 secs, its more like 10 and then u get a chime and then the display changes to esp off

 

Just to see if I was doing it right, I tried it in the Compass. Sure enough, just like the manual says, hold in, chime, ESP OFF.

Then I tried the same thing on the Patriot. I held the button in. The car with the squiggly lines light came on. Then I kept holding the button, after about 15 seconds the car with the squiggly lines light went off. No chime. no ESP OFF on the odometer.

Monday I will have to see what the dealer says.

 

I agree you do have to hold the button in for longer than 5 seconds. You also need to remember that you can't turn it all the way off unless you are sitting still when holding the button in. I do hear the chime and esp off shows up which is different than the squiggly line thing that means it's partially off.

 

Here is an update on ESP full off. I went to my dealer today to check out my lack of confirmation that my ESP does in fact go into full off mode. Long story short, they were flummoxed too.

We did come to the conclusion that it will go into ESP full off. However it will never say that it does in the odometer window. If I push the ESP button once the car with the skid marks comes on.(ESP partly off) Push again it goes off. (full ESP on) Push a 3rd time quickly after that, AND HOLD.....after about 5 seconds the car with the skid marks comes on again. This is when we assume the car has gone into ESP full off. Still it will not say ESP OFF.

So I asked the guys if Jeep would eventually issue a programming fix. They said probably. They were pretty curious about this whole deal. They seemed genuinely interested in learning about it and how to solve it even though we did not solve it at this time.

 

Yet another follow up.

I wrote to Chrysler to ask when they planned to correct this malfunction. Since I explained I had covered the bases with my dealer, they sidestepped and said I should keep in contact with my dealer. Obviously a response by someone in customer "service" (passifacation) who had no idea what I was talking about and didn't bother to familliarize themselves with how the car is supposed to work.

 

Thanks for the updates! My 2008 FDI does the same thing as yours (ESP OFF never shows on the display). Hopefully they can figure this out for us. I have not had time to take my Jeep in to the dealership to ask them about it yet. I'm wondering if the 2008 models only have 2 modes of esp (on/off). Weird though. I was able to turn the horn off when I lock the doors by using the directions in the manual and I know that some owners could not do that on their own. Maybe something did get screwed up in the program?? Who knows??

 

jepstr I get the exact same results as you.

I think full "EPS off" mode is only available with the FDII. Even though it doesn't say that in the manual.

Maybe it doesn't say "ESP OFF" because we have the base model 4x4

 

My wife has a compass. It works just like the manual says.

Mine actually does physically go into ESP full off, it just doesn't say. My dealer figured this out. stop the car. push the ESP button. see the light with the car and the squiggly lines. Then push and hold the button for 7 seconds. the light will go off at first, but after 7 seconds it will come back on. then the car is in ESP full OFF. Try it. Your Patriot will climb a tree in ESP OFF! It's like having full time 4WD but with lockers.

I want to find a safe location on my property somewhere to(try to) get stuck just to test the ability of the 4WD. I've already been doing things my trusted CJ8 can not.

 

2007 FDI does show ESP Off

I've tried it before in my 2007 FDI (not trail-rated) Patriot.
I was able to make the EVIC day "ESP off" by holding it down for 10s while in Park.

- This thread caught my eye - I was unable to make this work today, though in my case I was still moving.

Will try when the wife gets in with my car, and advise what worked/didn't.

I Want to go play in the snow, anyways

 

ESP off behaviour in 2007 FDI

I went out and checked on my 2007 FDI (North).

In Park, hitting ESP turns on the squiggly graphic (ESP partial).
Holding down "ESP off" for 5-10 seconds makes the car chime, the graphic is displayed, and under the PRNDL display is "ESPOFF".

I can also get into this mode while in motion, but it appears to go to full ESPOFF only when I am doing 20km/h or less.


One other thing I found that was curious: The FDI at a stoplight in "L": When the 4x4 lock is engaged, the engine RPMs rise from 750 to about 1100, and the vehicle wasnts to crawl. Very FDII-like behaviour.

 

I had to try too on my CRD Patriot.

One touch and the ESP is partially off. One tocuh more for 5 second the chime comes on and espoff lights up in the km-display.
But this could only be done when Im standing still.

Time to play - at last :banana::banana:

 

Thanks to all for these interesting posts. With all the information this site provides, it's amazing that we still learn new things about our Patriots.

Then, for the offroaders, disconnecting the ESP improves the vehicle performance on snow and slippery surfaces? Why? Does it make it less safe?

 

I am not sure that it is any safer. What happens is with the ESP totally off, it gives the driver more control of his/her destiny. The driver has far more control but has the added responsibility for driving safely. The ESP will *correct* bad situations set by less than ideal drivers.

When you are in the tough situations, the ESP can get fooled and will override what you want to have happen from a mechanical point of view.

 

...but in a snowy roundabout ESP only spoils the fun epper: Scandinavian flick here i come!

 

BTW, 2WD vehicle don't never get ESP Off. Also, 4WD OSP Off is only <35mph (56kph) per manual:

In this mode, ESP and TCS, except for the “limited slip”
feature described in the TCS section, are turned off until
the vehicle reaches a speed of 35 mph (56 km/h). At 35
mph (56 km/h) the normal ESP stability function returns
with the exception of engine power reduction. TCS
remains off. When the vehicle speed drops below 30 mph
(48 km/h) the ESP system shuts off. ESP is off at low
vehicle speeds so that it will not interfere with off-road
driving but ESP function returns to provide the stability
feature at speeds above 35 mph (56 km/h). The “ESP/
TCS Indicator Light” will always be illuminated when
ESP is off.

 

I have a 2008 4x4 manual sport.

If I push the button, the squigly lines appear.
If I hold the button for over 10 seconds, the light turns back off. At this point, pushing the button (not holding it) neither turns the squigly lines on or off, they just stay off. if a few minutes pass by, pushing this button gets the icon to return.

I have the EVIC but I get no chime or indication.

I have tried pushing the button in all combinations of vehicle behavior, but surely stopped, in neutral, e-brake engaged, seatbelt on, and foot on brake constitutes the most immobile my car can be!

What am I doing wrong?

 

OK I tried it on my 08 sport fdI today and it does allegedly go into the ESP OFF mode, but without a chime or visual words like the manual says it is suppose to do. I just pushed the ESP Off button once and then pushed it again and held it for 6 seconds and then the squiggly lines came on and stayed on. If I get a good glare on my instrument cluster I don't even see the words "ESP OFF" so they probably changed the clusters and forgot to put the directions in the manual. I work for a company that makes instrument clusters and those things go through so many engineering changes it is ridiculous. They all might be 2008 clusters, but some may be using older components ect... Hopefully someone can actually test this out for sure and make sure that we can put our pat in ESP OFF mode. No snow here in my area anymore.

 

Just FYI, if you have FDII and you lock the wheels and put it in low the ESP automatically gets turned off and displays ESP OFF. The ESP button then controls Hill Descent.

 

On my 08 FDII, if you put it in 4wd and L (off road mode) it will partially turn off ESP on it's own. If you hold the ESP button for 5 seconds it will show ESP OFF. If you put the gear shifter up in drive the ESP OFF light will turn off, if you put it back in off road mode the ESP OFF light will be displayed again. I don't know if the ESP is still off in drive and just not showing the light or it can only be fully off in the off road mode.

 

Mine never chimes going into ESP OFF either.

Revision! Mine does chime and display ESP OFF when you put it in off road mode.

 

Sounds like the 2008 lineup behaves differently than the 2007 with respect to ESP-off mode. Also, from what I read, the behaviour in the 2008 line seems to be different, and depends on whether you have the FDII package or CRD, versus the FD1, where totally turning off ESP deems to be disabled. Makes sense: Complete ESP-off only really makes sense off-road.

 

I have a 2008 patriot sport 4x4 fdI and i can turn my esp partially off by pressing the button or full off under 35 mph by holding the button for about 5-10 seconds. it beeps and displays esp off in the Cluster. From what i read the Esp is full off in this mode under 35mph and when you go over 35 it turns back on by its self, when you slow back below 35 it will turn off again until you press the esp button again to turn it back on.

Also this is in 4x4 lock and regular mode.

p.s. i tested this in a snow covered parking lot. with esp partially off i could spin the tires going straight but it would engauge upon turning. With esp fully off i could do dounuts in 4x4 lock.

 

I decided to take a quick video of this to straighten everyone out. I have a 2007 Jeep Patriot Sport 4x4 FD1 (not trail rated). I can press, press and hold or just flat out press and hold either way I'll get a chime and the skidding jeep light and the ESP OFF lights will come on in the instrument panel.

Here's a link to a youtube video I just took to show you what it should look like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRxGn-s_HP0

 

That clears it up for anyone who has a car that works like the manual says it should. This is the behavior I was expecting and my car will not deliver. As we have established, any car that works as yours does leaves no question as to whether it is in ESP Full OFF mode. For the rest of us the matter is still unresolved. I guess, consider yourself lucky that your car works like it should.
Thanks for the video. That is exactly what my wife's Compass does.

 

This morning, I turn ESP off for my commute as we had a little snow that turned to 2" of hard ice on most secondary roads. The entrance to my work has a chicane which ESP applied some brakes to the rear for me. I looked down and noticed my speed in the 35-40mph range, so it certainly did turn itself back on.

 

I am not seeing that video so here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRxGn-s_HP0