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#102 ·
2014 Altitude said:
Where did buying a vehicle come out of this? It's that misconception that it's a crappy car and ohhh mine is more CAPABLE AND BETTER OFF ROAD BECAUSE IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A JEEP. Some of you need to get your head out of your a$$es, it's 2014, the 21st century. What are you gonna say to the thousands of people who buy a cherokee every month??
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I never once questioned the Cherokee in capability, in fact I said if it was exceptionally capable I still wouldn't buy it. Also, I don't care about those people. There's plenty who bought Pontiac Azteks, all you can do is shake your head at the ugly driving by. ;)
 
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BondiBlue said:
Who the **** buys a vehicle that they think is ugly because the rest of it is nice? Nobody I've ever met in person, including every customer I dealt with as a car salesman. I never had a client say, "Man these numbers and expert reviews are awesome. Hell, I don't even need to see it, I'll take it because it looks great on paper!"
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This.
 
Discussion starter · #107 ·
Hmm, I didn't mean to start a scrap. I'm with you NHPATRIOT :beerchug:
I simply feel the Patriot is an extraordinary vehicle in its price range and I hope that Chrysler doesn't dump it for some techmobile. Yes, its a Dodge Caliber with a hormone shot, but the shot seems to have worked. Mine is FWD and its not afraid to take on a snowstorm which is what I love about it. As for the over-teched vehicles, someday I may need something with power sun visors -- till then I can do it with my hand just fine.
 
#108 ·
Discussing pros and cons of vehicles is as old as vehicles themselves, and I would expect such debate on an enthusiast forum such as this. A preference for a Patriot doesn't commit someone to being a cheerleading fanboy for the brand, and let's be honest... Chrysler sought "controversy" with the new Cherokee.

People are passionate about Jeeps, and while I do not think all Jeeps need be Wranglers, I simply think that this brouhaha continues to be fuelled by both the name, and what may be perceived as a trend towards homogenization for the brand.

Maybe not, maybe so.


I do have to say that whether or not you liked the predecessor, the ability to lift the vehicle beyond 2" or so was what made it unique. Some argue the JKU is the true new Cherokee, or at least the heir to the throne. Perhaps it is.


Whatever... debate is good and fun.
 
#109 ·
P.s. We bought the Patriot because it had a style reminiscent of my wife's old Cherokee, which she missed, gets 24 to 29 mpg as a 4x4 boxy truckster, and came loaded for about $24k.

While the new Cherokee may be capable, and will certainly be explored during the selection of her next ride, it's price point and styling frankly makes it enter a much larger class of vehicles from different brands, most of which we weren't crazy about because we aren't big on "crossover" styled vehicles (note: I do like station wagons, so go figure).
 
#111 ·
I've said several times that I like the drivetrains of the new Cherokee, but the styling sucks, and it does. What the shame is, is that Jeep caved to the notion of needing to look like all the other vehicles in this segment...with the exception of the nose, which looks worse. I'd rather they had put the new drivetrains in a Liberty body...and I've never been a fan of the Liberty.
 
#113 ·
Ignatz said:
How about going retro?? http://www.jeeptruck.com/articles/art013/
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100% no bull, if they make this vehicle, and it's not stupidly priced (25k or less), I will own one.

My onky fear is that if they made it, it would only come in a Deluxxxe Collector's Limited Edition with genuine yack scrote interior and blue gig my tooth... and they'd ask forty.

I have been in love with the Nukizer since I first saw it... and as an owner of a Grand Wagoneer, I always thought the Kaiser front end was tiiiiight.
 
#114 ·
I personally like the new Cherokee. I haven't driven one but I think it is probably just as capable as a Patriot. I didn't by the Pat to go hard core off-roading. I bought it to be a reliable, daily commuter and fun vehicle with the ability to tackle the occasional camping, hunting, fishing trip as well as foul weather that dumps the white flakes. I do not intend to race a Jeep anything in the Mexican desert. In my opinion there is not a Jeep out there that is ideally suited to compete in that race but more power to people if they want to try. I think the Cherokee will sell well to everyone except the hard core Old School Jeep fans. I like the old Jeeps too. Heck, I've always wanted a CJ or even a Wrangler but the Patriot is a capable and comfortable vehicle for me and my family. (The name "Patriot" sounds great too!) To each their own and people will buy the new Cherokee. I agree the price is a little steep for the vehicle but if I could afford it I would buy one especially the Trail Hawk.
 
#115 ·
Actually, when my choices were Patriot or Compass back in Dec. 2009, I chose the Pat for the very reason it looks more like the XJ, then later found out it was purposely designed to look like that. The Mexican desert comment was based on me wanting to get recognition for the Patriot bad enough, and wanting to race in the Baja 1000(the latter more), I decided to aim for 2016. But that's another story. The Patriot may be front-wheel based, but to me it's more a Jeep than the Cherokar. That's just me, others have other opinions as we've seen here. Happens all the time, and it'll probably happen again in 5-10 years when Jeep comes out with something else.
 
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alien319 said:
I personally like the new Cherokee. I haven't driven one but I think it is probably just as capable as a Patriot. I didn't by the Pat to go hard core off-roading. I bought it to be a reliable, daily commuter and fun vehicle with the ability to tackle the occasional camping, hunting, fishing trip as well as foul weather that dumps the white flakes. I do not intend to race a Jeep anything in the Mexican desert. In my opinion there is not a Jeep out there that is ideally suited to compete in that race but more power to people if they want to try. I think the Cherokee will sell well to everyone except the hard core Old School Jeep fans. I like the old Jeeps too. Heck, I've always wanted a CJ or even a Wrangler but the Patriot is a capable and comfortable vehicle for me and my family. (The name "Patriot" sounds great too!) To each their own and people will buy the new Cherokee. I agree the price is a little steep for the vehicle but if I could afford it I would buy one especially the Trail Hawk.
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And there's a lot of us that feel that way. I hope there was a lively debate at Chrysler about the styling of the new Cherokee, though I personally feel the wrong side won. If one was considering a CRV or one of the other Asian-styled vehicles, the Cherokee styling might be very appealing.

I see what I believe is a misconception in a few postings. The 2.4 in the new Cherokee is not the same engine as the Patriot 2.4. The new engine has a little more horsepower and a little more torque.
 
#117 ·
Ignatz said:
The 2.4 in the new Cherokee is not the same engine as the Patriot 2.4. The new engine has a little more horsepower and a little more torque.
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Well, at least somebody realized it'd need a bit more juice in a bigger rig.
 
#118 ·
9 speed also gives it a pretty much perfect gear ratio in every gear as well. Meaning a more linear power band and more consistent torque curve. With a CVT or traditional manual you got to get the revs up to get that power, not as much the case when you have more gears.

In the automotive industry the new standard now is:


WORK SMARTER, NOT HARDER


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still wierd to think that the new contraption has more speeds than this Kenworth I once drove. If that makes me already old-school in my early 20's, so be it, but it just seems way too many gears for a rig that size. It could probably be started in 4th or 5th, easily.
 

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