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I'm planning a MAJOR audio overhaul from my current sound system. More details are soon to come...


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When do you plan on releasing more info?
 
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EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT

Just placed my order and here is an exhaustive list of everything I'm adding (with prices per crutchfield.com&manufacture's website)
SPEAKERS/HEADUNIT/AMP:

Alpine CDE-HD148BT HEADUNIT($249.99)
Alpine PDX-V9 AMP ($699.99)
2 Pairs of Alpine SPR-69 DOOR SPEAKERS (199.99*2)
EDIT: Sold them and swapped them out for Alpine's SPR-60 speakers
2 Pairs of Alpine SPR-10TW TWEETERS ($119.99*2)
JL Audio HO110-W6v3 Single 10" Enclosure SUBWOOFER ($599.99)

WIRING & ACCESSORIES:

4 Packages of Metra IBCFSQ10PKC Terminals FSpade Prs ($1.99*4)
Pro.Fit DM 45-33 Wire Worm Tool - 48" long by 3/8" width ($12.99)
EDIT: This thing was absolutely worthless.
JL Audio SGR-10W6v2/v3 10" Woofer Grille ($13.99)
RF RFFM100 100amp MAXI Platinum Plated Wafer Fuse - 2 pack ($4.99)
Alpine RUX-KNOB ($29.99)
3 Sets of Rockford Fosgate RFIT-16 16 feet Premium Dual Twist Signal Cable (3*$36.99)
EDIT: I used these and they were alright but I ended up swapping to Stinger's 8000 series cables and the sound quality is no comparison.
JL Audio XD-BTS Battery Terminal - Positive or Negative ($19.95)
2 Sets of JL Audio XC-BCSC12-25 25ft/7.6m Blue/Clear 12 AWG, Parallel Conductor Premium Speaker Cable (2*$34.95)
JL Audio XD-PCS4-1B 4 AWG Premium Series Amplifier Power Connection Kit ($119.95)

GRAND TOTAL:$2580.62

Now for some installation details :pepper:
The sub will be mounted on the right side of the trunk and I plan or rigging the cubby on that side to hold my amp. I am also going to mount tweeters at ear level in the rear and front of the Patriot. Once I do the install (probably the end of next week) I will post TONS of pictures. Stay tuned...
 
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Wow! $2.2K++!! Did you get a hell of a tax refund, or is there a convenience store that was recently robbed??!! All kidding aside, that's a major investment--hell my first house didn't cost that much! Let's have DAILY progress reports...
 
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I seriously hope you didn't pay those prices. I really hope.

Headunit - $183.54 + $8 shipping.
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-CDE-HD148BT-Receiver-built-Bluetooth/dp/B00CF5I0LY[/ame]

Amp - $428.94
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-PDX-V9-4-Channel-Extreme-AMplifier/dp/B007VSXGOQ[/ame]

Speakers - $99.97 (2)
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/ALPINE-SPR-69-2-WAY-COAXIAL-SPEAKERS/dp/B004WWNSMO[/ame]

Tweeters - $69.99 (2)
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-SPR-10TW-1-inch-Component-Tweeters/dp/B0066D5NZM[/ame]


= $960.4

Even for just those few items, I already shaved $790 off.
I didn't even check other sites, just simply checked amazon. Also, if you run 4 tweeters, your staging is going to be terribly off unless they are mounted perfect.
Your sound stage is supposed to be completely in front of you, besides a sub. Most people pouring this much into their system actually don't run speakers in there rear doors, or anything past their seat to avoid sound staging issues. The idea is to have the sound coming from the dash, almost like the music is being played on your hood live.

I'm not here to bash, I just really wanted you to know quantity doesn't buy quality nor does price.

Also, amp volume knobs actually cause your sound to be muddy. They control the gain on your amp rather than the actual volume. You'd be better off running gain off the equalizer on the HU.
 
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I seriously hope you didn't pay those prices. I really hope.

Headunit - $183.54 + $8 shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-CDE-HD148BT-Receiver-built-Bluetooth/dp/B00CF5I0LY

Amp - $428.94
http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-PDX-V9-4-Channel-Extreme-AMplifier/dp/B007VSXGOQ

Speakers - $99.97 (2)
http://www.amazon.com/ALPINE-SPR-69-2-WAY-COAXIAL-SPEAKERS/dp/B004WWNSMO

Tweeters - $69.99 (2)
http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-SPR-10TW-1-inch-Component-Tweeters/dp/B0066D5NZM


= $960.4

Even for just those few items, I already shaved $790 off.
I didn't even check other sites, just simply checked amazon. Also, if you run 4 tweeters, your staging is going to be terribly off unless they are mounted perfect.
Your sound stage is supposed to be completely in front of you, besides a sub. Most people pouring this much into their system actually don't run speakers in there rear doors, or anything past their seat to avoid sound staging issues. The idea is to have the sound coming from the dash, almost like the music is being played on your hood live.

I'm not here to bash, I just really wanted you to know quantity doesn't buy quality nor does price.

Also, amp volume knobs actually cause your sound to be muddy. They control the gain on your amp rather than the actual volume. You'd be better off running gain off the equalizer on the HU.

Lol you busted my secret. I did actually bargain hunt from those sites ;) I was gonna post all my savings in a later post :p Ended up actually being around $1600 by the time I shopped around. As for the sound stage, my idea is to place/aim the speakers so that you can't tell where each of the sounds come from, rather, it is one blended sound comprised of accurately produced notes. And plus, I carry people with me all the time and I'm sure they would be disappointed to find out that they got skipped on the speakers. I feel like having sound coming from all around me makes the sound immersive since radio isn't encoded in surround like movies and sound played through a home theatre system. I'm hoping everything works out but it may be a bit of trial and error. I'm hoping between my dad's competition stereo building experience, the internet, and your advice I can have one heck of a good sounding Patriot.


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Wow very nice build idea!! I can't wait to see your work. :D

I'm really curious how you like those 6x9 speakers paired with the tweeters. I really want to add some tweeters up front in mine.

And whoa that sub looks awesome! I bet it makes a lot of great sound for being somewhat compact. If I ever get a huge itch for more bass I might have to get something like that JL.
 
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Thanks for the support! I'll definitely post lots of pics and sound reviews once everything goes in. My idea is to balance and have accurately produced lows, crip mids, and perky highs throughout the entire vehicle.

And yes, I did a lot of research before deciding on a sub. I wanted something with strong bass but not a noise rattle machine.


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I was about to say if you payed all of that.. Idk if i would even be upset for you.. ha. With $2,500 I could have a competition system.
 
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My goal is to have something near competition level/quality while not breaking the bank, and with my setup I think I will achieve that.


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Yeah man its going to sound sweet for sure. I just bought a new sub a 15" RE audio SE. Powering it to my powerbass 1500.1 amp. Its gonna be stupid loud.. lol. If all goes as planned im hoping to get it installed friday or maybe even saturday. I'm pumped.
 
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UPDATE: Most everything has shipped or will ship from Amazon by today. Looks like everything will arrive late this week or early next week.


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The excitement begins!! I bet you can't wait for the UPS/FEDEX/USPS guy!!!
 
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Understatement of the century! The sub and enclosure is arriving today, I can't await to see this bad boy in person! Luckily pretty much everything shipped UPS, USPS has a habit of being super slow in my town.


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Amp came in today! I'm so happy about how much more power it produces than it is actually rated for. 127x4 for the door speakers and 557x1 for the sub!


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I always run Alpine electronics in my setups! Cool how they have 4.1 amps now. I might have to look into that when I clean up my sound system. I'm still rockin' the amps I got when I was 16 (bout 7 years ago lol). Cant wait to see how you get everything all set up! I'm pretty sure with how small that amp is you could fabricate it into the cubby in the back. That's what I plan on doing...
 
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I'm pretty sure with how small that amp is you could fabricate it into the cubby in the back. That's what I plan on doing...
Funny that you mention that because that's exactly what I plan on doing! I went by Lowe's today to pick up the stuff to modify the cubby to hold the amp.


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Completed the amp rack installation. Full writeup with pics soon to follow..

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I had a chance to fab the amplifier box today! Here is a write-up of the process for anyone who might be interested in doing the same thing.


First you have to remove the rear panel in the trunk.


Here's the backside of the panel once removed.


I then took a Dremel saw fitted with the plastic cutting attachment and removed the top and sides from the box. (note: leave the bottom attached, you will need it)


Here's the panel once I removed the top and sides


After removing the top and sides I was left with a plastic lip about 1/8in tall. More than likely you will have near the same result and will need to use a grinding attachment to file it where it is flush.


For support I added this 8.25 inch support and affixed it to the base with two #6 1.25" screws


I attached the sides measuring 3.25" tall by 7.25" wide by .75" thick to the base with two #6 1.25" screws on each side. The base and top measure 12" wide by 7.25" deep by .75" thick. Once you attach the sides and top to the base, you will then have to attach an additional 12*7.25*.75 board to the bottom of the base to get it to sit flush in the cubby.


On the sides I drilled 3" holes to allow me to attach a 12V 3" fan on each side.



Here is how to box sits inside the cubby.


The finished box after 3 coats with semi-gloss spray paint.



Picture of the box and amp once everything dried and I mounted the two fans.

I hope this writeup can prove helpful to everyone! If anyone has any questions feel free to shot me a PM.
 
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Get it all done after working all day! Sounds amazing. Had a bad ground at first but re located it and now all the horrific noise is gone. And boy does that sub hit hard!


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#33 ·
We're talking a quite elaborate build, so my question is: the final cost in $$ and in hours??
 
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Total cost: just over $1600
Total time: About 16 hours
Total enjoyment to come- 8+ years :D


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Funny that you say that, I'm actually planning on running a new ground to my HU today, rather than using the one built into the wiring adapter harness.


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#37 ·
I love the "COOL" box/rack you've made and that tweeter install looks great! I can't wait to add some front tweeters and a better sub to my setup. Thanks for posting such great photos so far! Keep them comin brother!