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#21 ·
Yeah, with that info, I would be looking for a new 2013 5 speed patriot 4wd. It will be all wheel drive all the time, with the ability to lock into 4 wheel drive when you want it. It will have a 2.4L engine. Then just add the options package you want.
I would think you can od better on the price your dealer quoted you, but then again, I'm in a different geographical location which could effect pricing. Your dealer should be able to do a build sheet with you and then locate a vehicle that meets your requirements. If they can't, I would find a different dealer. I know you said you had to go a long way to get to your closest dealer, but settling will only have you repeating this process over again in a short while. Make sure you get what you want, then you run less of a risk of regretting the purchase later.
 
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lasallejeeper said:
Here is another thing to consider. How comfortable are you in the Patriot?
Do you think you could drive around in it for an hour or more?

I have a 2009, FDI 4x4, I get 24-28 MPG, my buddy "says" he gets 32-36 with his Civic. I know civic does not fall in the same group, but... I went for a small trip (2 hours out 2 back) with him. I had to fold in 2 to get in,sat on the ground, no a/c, was sore like a sob for quite awhile after.

is the difference in mpg that big at the end of the year to give up comfort and pleasure of driving.

as for the $6000, tell the dealer another dealer over in "Nextville" is willing to cut the price. If he still won't budge,talk to the manager or owner I don't think they want to lose a sale over$1000. If they still say no, walk. I am sure he will call you in a couple of days
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Compared to the Soul.. the Soul has a lot more open space inside it (especially in the front, like I said it's like a Gorram Tardis!), but the Patriot felt so well 'set-up' with where space was and wasn't allocated the effect was one that left me feeling more 'Cozy' than 'Cramped'. The whole thing just generally felt more solid to, and I didn't get to drive it very far but even then I noticed the ride and road noise were a big improvement. I used to love the idea of driving an hour down to 'the city' and just make a day of it, since owning the Kia I feel like I just wanna get my business done and get home and take a nap.

The steering is noticeably heavier than the Kia, that's something I'll get used to though. The only one major ergonomic fault was the way things were set-up with the arm-rest making it more awkward to fasten the seatbelt.

The original price (After trade-in and with all applicable taxes, fees and the everything) I was quoted was $7500, so they already came down a good bit. I think they might be undervaluing my trade though since while I don't particularly cherish it at this point it's still a very popular car and this particular one has a very popular combination of options.


DangerAaron said:
Yeah, with that info, I would be looking for a new 2013 5 speed patriot 4wd. It will be all wheel drive all the time, with the ability to lock into 4 wheel drive when you want it. It will have a 2.4L engine. Then just add the options package you want.
I would think you can od better on the price your dealer quoted you, but then again, I'm in a different geographical location which could effect pricing. Your dealer should be able to do a build sheet with you and then locate a vehicle that meets your requirements. If they can't, I would find a different dealer. I know you said you had to go a long way to get to your closest dealer, but settling will only have you repeating this process over again in a short while. Make sure you get what you want, then you run less of a risk of regretting the purchase later.
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Well the most convenient dealer is an hour's drive to the south, in 'the big city' where I do most of my business that I can't get done locally. There's another driver just as far away to the North. After that things get a bit more bothersome.

I probably should've gone to them first.. all the other MOPAR group dealerships in the area I've noticed have been really really aggressive.
 
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Do it!
 
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since you already test drove the 2.0 non-4x4 patriot, you know how small they are and how well they handle etc. (4x4 wouldnt be much different) That being said it sounds like you're tired of the kia and want to get in to a new car.

Food for thought: I always buy my american brand cars a year old. That way the previous owner has paid for the huge depreciation, it still smells new, it still has 90% of the warranty left and you keep the $6k you'd have to fork out on a new one.
 
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Jdog said:
since you already test drove the 2.0 non-4x4 patriot, you know how small they are and how well they handle etc. (4x4 wouldnt be much different) That being said it sounds like you're tired of the kia and want to get in to a new car.

Food for thought: I always buy my american brand cars a year old. That way the previous owner has paid for the huge depreciation, it still smells new, it still has 90% of the warranty left and you keep the $6k you'd have to fork out on a new one.
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It's a bit of being tired of the Kia, and not realizing what I was getting into with the Kia in the first place. My Blazer was falling apart, it was mid-summer, 90-degrees 90% humidity, and the A/C failed.

The Kia Soul at the time was in my neck of the woods being heavily marketed as a very small CUV, personal experience with it doing long-distance highway driving and other details point to it being more a very large and boxy city-car.

In my naivete I assumed that since it didn't have a spare tire then it must have run-flat tires, all the other cars of that size I'd researched that didn't have spare tires did have run-flats so I just took it as a given that was the industry standard. Turns out they're not run-flats, and I live in a region where a blowout without a spare could mean a 5-10 mile hike to civilization.

Learning I'd lost 5-7 MPG from what I was expecting to what I'd actually gotten was annoying, learning I had neither a spare Nor run-flats was 'pants to be darkened'. :wow:

I appreciate all the advice, not only about the Patriot but about car-shopping in general. I kept my last car for close to 15 years and plan to keep my next one for at least that long, as much as I loved the cuteness and quirkiness of the Soul when I first laid eyes on it.. I just don't feel after having lived with it for this long that I can see myself in it 15 years from now.
 
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Jdog said:
Food for thought: I always buy my american brand cars a year old. That way the previous owner has paid for the huge depreciation, it still smells new, it still has 90% of the warranty left and you keep the $6k you'd have to fork out on a new one.
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That's what I did with my Patriot! :pepper:



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Today I knuckled down and made the decision, I have a special-order 2014 Jeep Patriot with everything I want and nothing I don't due in 4-6 weeks. I took a bit more of a financial hit than I wanted to, but it's a hit I can afford to take without major difficulties, and it was worth it to get exactly what I wanted rather than save not-all-that-much dredging the dregs of the 2013 inventory.

Does a Patriot with FDI have any special maintenance needs and have to see the dealership, or can I just service it myself or have one of the local shops do it?
 
#29 ·
You are not required to go to a dealer for maintenance. I think many people on this forum do their own maintenance. Whoever does it/wherever it gets done - just remember to keep good records and save receipts.

This is the "official" language from the 2014 warranty booklet:
9. Maintenance
9.1 General Information
It’s your responsibility to properly maintain and operate
your new vehicle. Follow the instructions contained in
the General and Scheduled Maintenance Service guidelines
in your Owner’s Manual. Regular, scheduled maintenance
is essential to trouble-free operation. If there is a
dispute between you and Chrysler Group LLC
(Chrysler) concerning your maintenance of your vehicle,
Chrysler will require you to provide proof that
your vehicle was properly maintained.
For your convenience, Chrysler has prepared a Maintenance
Log which is included in your Owner’s Manual.
You should use this Maintenance Log to keep track of
scheduled maintenance, either by routinely having the
repairs entered in your Maintenance Log, or by keeping
receipts or other documentation of work you’ve had
done on your vehicle in your Maintenance Log.
9.2 Where To Go For Maintenance
Chrysler recommends that you return to the dealer from
whom you bought your vehicle for all maintenance
service both during and after the warranty periods.
Although you can get warranty service from any dealer
who sells your particular make, returning to your selling
dealer will help ensure that all your service needs are met
and that you’re completely satisfied. The dealership
technicians are specifically trained to proficiently perform
maintenance and repair procedures on your
Chrysler Group LLC vehicle.
Authorized Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep or Ram dealers will
help ensure that all your service needs are met and that
you’re completely satisfied. Chrysler strongly recommends
you use genuine Chrysler / MOPAR parts to
maintain your vehicle.​
 
Discussion starter · #30 ·
Sorry for the necro, but I'm back.

Who knew getting into a new Jeep could be so difficult?

The 'local' Crysler-group dealers are some of the most aggressive 'take-no-prisoners and make you thank them for the privilege' types I've ever encountered, all of them treating my 'hard-limit' offers as 'suggestions' and trying to coax me up to $1500 above that.. hinting that if I took time off to try and work out the finances and if I could actually Afford to take that much of a hit they'd just hike the price up.. or rather my trade would 'Depreciate'. One that I negotiated originally down from $7500 to $6000 told me my trade had depreciated so much since they last talked to me that when I came back and told them I actually could make $6000 their price would now be $8500 Firm.. it had been a Week!

I'd just about given up when a last-minute trawl of Autotrader came up a 2013 Patriot, Metallic Silver, 4WD, 2.4, 5-speed man, power windows-and-locks, with optional tires and wheels.. that the dealer there would be willing to part with for my trade plus $5000... which was the price I wanted when I first started.. and I only had to drive two and a half hours away.

They even threw-in the all-weather floor mats for free.



I've named her Kaselir. (It's a geeky in-joke)
 
#32 ·
That's great news! I think you are going to love your new Jeep. I just bought a new 2013 4x4 with 5 speed and I really like the combination on the road (currently on the 850 mile drive through Alaska to bring it home) and the first tank I checked was 27.5 mpg which considering the grades I was pulling through the mountains as well as a load of 4 extra wheels and tires, and only 300 miles on it, I am satisfied!
 
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AKriverrat907 said:
That's great news! I think you are going to love your new Jeep. I just bought a new 2013 4x4 with 5 speed and I really like the combination on the road (currently on the 850 mile drive through Alaska to bring it home) and the first tank I checked was 27.5 mpg which considering the grades I was pulling through the mountains as well as a load of 4 extra wheels and tires, and only 300 miles on it, I am satisfied!
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I've noticed that in spite of being larger, heavier, bigger engine, 4WD And one less gear it still gets roughly the same MPG performance that the Soul got.

I'm missing some of the gadgets, like automatic head-lamps for one.. but I'll get over that because I now have A Spare Tire! A Full-Size spare no less! :D
 
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