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#41 ·
This is worrying. Many Patriot with water infiltration.
I was willing to buy it next year, but I think that wait, because this seems to be a problem not isolated.
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I don't have leaks.

Before rushing to any conclusions about build quality remember that even 10 people out of 30,000 or more vehicles is a small amount. I am not saying that there are not more out there with problems, but there are also many that have no problems.
 
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#42 ·
DavidOBE said:
Hello all,

Here's the pictures of the culprit and the pictures of the headliner now:

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I haven't taken my Pat in to get fixed but I believe my leak is in the same location as David's. The photo above shows a round plastic plug which is where I believe the water is getting into. Water tends to pool around the plug and if it wasn't sealed properly, I could see how the water could leak through it. I can't see how the plug is held into the hole (screwed, glued or whatever), but I would think it should be an easy fix.
 
#43 ·
JoeBecker said:
I don't have leaks.

Before rushing to any conclusions about build quality remember that even 10 people out of 30,000 or more vehicles is a small amount. I am not saying that there are not more out there with problems, but there are also many that have no problems.
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I not rushing to any conclusions about build quality. I have only say that I'm this is worrying. Can to be a problem of first series car everything can happen, all here. I am not against the Jeep brand; We should be honest with saying that it's not normal for a new car and it's a very horrible problem.
We should not be fan of brand, because you might not be objective about problems.
 
#44 ·
generoso lombardi said:
We should not be fan of brand, because you might not be objective about problems.
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Agreed, but that is why people tend to think that Toyota and Honda are problem free. Even their commericals claim "reliability" and "quality". Yet, they have recalls and issues like any other brand. For example, Toyota had to recall their Tundras. My coworker has a Honda Oddessey Minivan on its third transmission and it only has 60,000 miles on it. As those two companies continue to grow they will begin to exeperience more problems. It is not easy to mass produce things without easing some of your tolerances.

My Patriot has its own problem: the factory installed the wrong rear seats. It is supposed to have the reclining/folding seat but has the folding only instead. They made a mistake at the factory. It happens, and they are working to fix it. I am not going to say "never buy a Chrysler product because they don't get anything right" because it was probably an isolated incident and there is nothing else wrong with it. My boss who drives nothing but BMW, Lexus, Infiniti etc really thinks the Patriot is put together well.

Sorry, I will get off my soap box and back to thread.

The best that we can hope for any problem that arises is that whomever we take our vehicles to will be helpful, understanding and capable of fixing the problem. Leaks are a very tricky problem. Even a tiny hole in a ship can be a big problem.
 
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#45 ·
akillenb said:
Just realized this morning, that the carpet (under the floor mat) in the left side passenger position is totally saturated with water - will definitely be calling my dealer today to take a look at the Pat. Will also be checking the rear headliner, in light of this thread. grrr
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I noticed today little bit of water on the botom plastic moulding on the driver side back door.I'll watch it.I've been driving the car since June and this is the first time.
 
#46 ·
akillenb said:
Just realized this morning, that the carpet (under the floor mat) in the left side passenger position is totally saturated with water - will definitely be calling my dealer today to take a look at the Pat. Will also be checking the rear headliner, in light of this thread. grrr
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Had my Patriot for a little over a week now; it rained much of the night here, and this morning when I took my stuff out of the floorboard behind the driver's seat, I noticed the strap on my computer bag was damp. I thought maybe in a rush to get going this morning I might have closed the door on it and it could have gotten splashed with water from the road, but when I got to the office I noticed the bottom of my bag was damp too. Went back out to the vehicle to check, and sure enough the floorboard behind the driver's seat is damp, and some magazines that were there are soaked (not dripping wet, but obviously exposed to water).

I checked the windows to make sure the kids hadn't left one open (they had not), but I'm going to withhold judgment on a leak at this point since I can't guarantee the door was completely shut when I got stuff out of it last night. Hopefully I'll get a chance this afternoon while it's still daylight to look and see if I can tell where the water might have come in, and I might turn the hose on it to see if anything obvious shows up. When I open the door there is a spot where there's a trace of water on the rubber lining the door frame (but not that I can see on the actual door); there is moisture only in that one spot, so hopefully it's as simple as replacing that weatherstrip. I'll let you know when I find out something.
 
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#48 ·
Well - got mine back today - they decided there was a problem with the seam at the firewall - water must have run along the bottom trim until it found a spot to drip in .... Raining today, drove a bit, and looks dry inside so far - will be keeping my eyes on it, though....
 
#50 ·
akillenb said:
Well - got mine back today - they decided there was a problem with the seam at the firewall - water must have run along the bottom trim until it found a spot to drip in .... Raining today, drove a bit, and looks dry inside so far - will be keeping my eyes on it, though....
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I'm taking mine in today, it rained hard last night, and when I checked this morning the carpet was saturated (where it was damp the day before).

You say your leak was at the firewall, do you have any idea exactly where? I park uphill in my driveway, so a firewall leak would seem plausible (with the water ultimately pooling in the lowest spot behind the driver's seat). I'll pass the word on to them today to check the firewall; how long did it take them to track your problem down?
 
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#52 ·
I just dropped mine off at lunch; they gave me a loaner 2007 Grand Cherokee to drive until they find/fix the problem.

The ironic thing is when I got my Patriot it was supposed to come with the basic floor mats, but they weren't in the vehicle (they transferred mine from another dealer in town, and they got misplaced somewhere along the way). So we've been going back and forth on trying to get me a set (they're on order). Had I had floor mats in the Patriot, I likely would not have noticed the leak, as the moisture would have been collecting under the mat instead of on top. As it was I caught it within the first day, as opposed to not discovering it until it started getting musty, so the lack of floor mats turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

I've got the loaner through Saturday, but hopefully it won't take that long to determine the source of the problem. Assuming they can find it, I'll do my best to post back here as many details as I can get, so that if this becomes a trend at least others will have an idea of where to start looking.

If you're nervous about your own, mine was isolated to the floor board behind the driver's seat, with the worst place being closer to the door (probably running down the trim and coming out there beneath the door opening, if I had to guess). I'm sure parking uphill contributed to things as well, otherwise the water would have likely run off through the engine compartment instead of into the interior. We've only had about a 1/2" of rain here over the past 2-3 days, so it's not like we've had unusually heavy rains to contribute to things.
 
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#54 ·
I'd think if I hadn't caught the problem and continually got water pooling back there, rust could be an issue; as it is it's really not much worse than one of my kids spilling a Big Gulp (at least this is water instead of some brightly colored, syrupy mess!). Assuming they can fix the problem I'm not too worried about rust, but I will probably check the carpet back there (as well as the spare time area) a little more often just in case. I'm also trying to sell my two oldest cars, which once that's done will put my Patriot in the garage, which will help matters even more.

I'm still a fan of the Patriot despite this setback; hopefully this will prove to be a fluke instead of a trend. I will say driving the Grand Cherokee back-to-back with the Patriot really shows how much more spirited the Patriot is; the GC seems very slow and ponderous relative to the agility I feel driving the Patriot. May just be a FWD versus RWD thing, but even though I could have bought a GC for about the same money as the Patriot, I can tell I'll be much happier with the Patriot instead.
 
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#55 ·
Well - they pulled the center console, seats and carpet out of mine, during the process., and completely dried out the carpet/mat whatever was there.
The official work order says leak in "left side seam between left inner fender and firewall panels. They removed the fender to seal the seam from the outside, and "partially de-trimmed dash to seal fender to firewall seam from inside".
Sounds scary, but so far, so good.
 
#56 · (Edited)
Keeping Fingers Crossed said:
IM SICK AND TIRED OF READING ABOUT THESE LEAKING PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!! AND TOTALLY SCARED TOO!!!

I KEEP LOOKING IN MINE AND AM CONCERNED IM NOT LOOKING HARD ENOUGH OR ITS BONE DRY. EITHER WAY I CAN'T TRUST IT!!
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Just want to say this is not just Jeep's problem ...
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2006-to-2007-toyota-rav4-2.htm

Water leak: Water may leak onto the front floor via the heater box due to a leak in the cowl. (2006)

http://forums.landroverworld.org/showthread.php?t=11291

Second issue is a water leak my wife noticed coming from the small light console right above the rear view mirror on the headliner.....I thought it was the sunroof leaking, but after popping off the light display, we discovered water (not alot, but enough to make me concerned) closer to the windshield than to the sunroof....could it be the windshield is not sealed properly???? I dried area, and the car has been in rain since, but the area has remained dry.....I did searches regarding water leaks, and most seem to do with ac tube blockages and not in the area of my leak....


Anyway, this is really awful issue and I also keep my fingers crossed mine euro pat won't run into this trouble ...
 
#57 ·
Quick update - I got a call this afternoon from my dealer, they say my leak is due to a problem with the seal around the driver's side rear door. They've ordered the replacement weatherstrip (for around the door, as well as the opening), and hope to receive it next week and get it installed. I'll take their loaner back tomorrow and get my Patriot, and either park downhill (if that'll solve the problem short-term), or swap with my wife for the garage spot until the parts arrive. I could move the El Camino out of my side of the garage, but it leaks far worse than the Jeep.

I'm curious to see if my dealer went to the trouble of drying my carpet today or not; figure that'll tell me something about the type of service to expect from them down the road.

Anyway, when I pick it up I'll see if they can show me exactly where the leak is occurring, and if so I'll try to post some before/after pictures.
 
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#58 ·
Well..Im glad it was an easy diognosis..Im happy for you...I just took my vehicle through the manual car wash, you know the one where you put quarters in, and I blasted her good. I checked every nook and cranny I have read about in here, including the areas adjacent to the weather seals, and she's dry.
i will continue to...'keep my fingers crossed'
 
#59 ·
We had our first hard rain here in the valley today, and thanks to all of you, I knew to check my dome lights.

Sure enough, my rear dome light is leaking! I've got an appt at the dealership first thing Thursday morning to have it assessed, and have printed out this entire thread for the service department's reference. I even post-it noted the important areas for them.

I'm also asking them to check the spare tire well for accumulated water, to clean my cargo carpet that is now wet, and if I need my headliner replaced, I'll ask for that as well.

I'll let you guys know what happens.
 
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#60 · (Edited)
Firewall seam.

I had the firewall seam leak too. It was fixed and no problems since.

One suggestion. You don't have to wait for it to rain to check for leaks. You can use your garden hose or even a pressure washer at the carwash to "simulate" rain. You can even test all your body seams, joints, and window seals with a fair amount of pressure, but don't go nuts.

Rust isn't an issue unless you have bare metal exposed to the water for a looooong period of time.
 
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