HHO on the Patriot

bigfatclown · Dec 8, 2012

Hi Guys, a friend of mine made an HHO device for his Chevy Venture and he his able to reach over 900km's on 1 tank and the performance is quite surprising.

Did anyone of you ever tried an HHO system on any of your cars and would you recommended it? I would love a little more kick on my Pat.....

This is the device I am looking at right now

http://www.hhokitsdirect.com/smallest_hydrogen_generator.php

Thanks

todde702 · Dec 8, 2012

Yep! I did an HHO bottle on my 'Riot a few years back. Mileage went down after one day as the computer adjusted for the lean looking mixture. I needed to make an efie and wire it in but never got around to it. It's still an idea sitting on the back burner for now.

My brother still runs one on his F150 4x4 and sees 25 mpg on the highway so I know they can (and do) work.

Here's my original post on it: http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7396

ctherrien · Dec 8, 2012

Just finished reading your original thread. Interesting stuff, up until the computer told you how it was gonna be.

Did you ever consider, or rule out, the idea that maybe V3.0 wasn't producing the HHO like V1.0 or V2.0?

Your brother, is he still running V1.0 ?

DJMurphy · Dec 8, 2012

$400 for snake oil. Save your money.

FailWheelDrive · Dec 8, 2012

Sounds pretty cool.

todde702 did you log your LTFTs? It would be interesting to see and an easy way to prove that the HHO dealio works.

bigfatclown · Dec 10, 2012

thanks for the replies, I am really tempted to try it.

todde702 · Dec 10, 2012

FailWheelDrive said:
Sounds pretty cool.

todde702 did you log your LTFTs? It would be interesting to see and an easy way to prove that the HHO dealio works.

I did not. I didn't have the scangauge II figured out for that. As I said though, I will be getting back to it at some point.

DJMurphy · Dec 11, 2012

It doesn't work for the simple reason that you're using a 25% efficient gasoline engine to drive a 50% efficient alternator to create small amounts of hydrogen. One gallon of gas is equivalent to around 350 cu ft of hydrogen or 35 kilowatts of electricity. A decent electrolysis unit might be 80% efficient, and draw 15 amperes. You would need almost a 400% energy return to see any benefits, which is perpetual-motion-impossible.

Do some research on engineering forums, not the sales websites.

Metaxa · Dec 11, 2012

I've got some Ballard Power Systems shares I'd love to sell to anyone who is into this stuff....please

Ballard Power has blown through millions and millions of research dollars on hydrogen fuel cells...legit research...and they still can barely get a bus around the block. selling lots of apps true but automotive is hard, hard, hard to accomplish.
http://www.ballard.com/

and from Wiki:

Ballard Power Systems' main objective is to develop fuel-cell technology. Previously, Ballard had its focus within the automobile market, and fleet services, as well as co-generation systems and the manufacture of materials for the fuel-cell sector. However, in late 2007, Ballard pulled out of the hydrogen vehicle sector of its business to focus on fuel cells for forklifts and stationary electrical generation. The company sold its automotive fuel cell assets to Daimler AG and Ford Motor Company.[3] Research Capital analyst Jon Hykawy concluded that Ballard saw the industry going nowhere and said: "In my view, the hydrogen car was never alive. The problem was never, "Could you build a fuel cell that would consume hydrogen, produce electricity, and fit in a car?" The problem was always, "Can you make hydrogen fuel at a price point that makes any sense to anybody?" And the answer to that to date has been "No."[4]

chethro · Dec 11, 2012

Maybe you should try Rockwell's Retro Encabulator....

but seriously, I would think if this technology worked we would all have them by now. It always seems there are very few success stories compared to the failures, so it just makes me wonder...

todde702 · Dec 11, 2012

DJMurphy said:
It doesn't work for the simple reason that you're using a 25% efficient gasoline engine to drive a 50% efficient alternator to create small amounts of hydrogen. One gallon of gas is equivalent to around 350 cu ft of hydrogen or 35 kilowatts of electricity. A decent electrolysis unit might be 80% efficient, and draw 15 amperes. You would need almost a 400% energy return to see any benefits, which is perpetual-motion-impossible.

Do some research on engineering forums, not the sales websites.

In engineering terms, sure, it's not an efficient use of power. But since a car is a self contained system with excess electrical power available...who cares. The hydrogen helps the gas burn more efficiently. The problem is the fuel injection system is designed solely to reduce emissions, and excess oxygen is wrongly interpreted as a lean mixture when adding HHO.

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