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Strike deadline looms for UAW-Chrysler talks
Union and automaker remain locked in negotiations as thousands of workers prepare to walk off the job.
October 10 2007: 6:45 AM EDT

DETROIT (AP) -- The United Auto Workers union and Chrysler remained locked in all-night marathon negotiations early Wednesday as workers prepared for the picket lines.

The UAW set a deadline of 11 a.m. EDT to reach a tentative agreement with Chrysler LLC or have thousands of workers walk off the job. The union represents about 45,000 workers at 24 U.S. manufacturing facilities and other sites.

As of 6 a.m. ET, negotiators for the two sides were still at the table after talking through the night for the second straight night.

Tom LaSorda, the president of Chrysler and UAW President Ron Gettelfinger were involved in the current round of negotiations, a source familiar with the talks told CNNMoney.com, although he could not say if they were in the room as of 6 a.m.

Gettelfinger sent out a note to local presidents Monday in which he said that Chrysler had "thus far failed to make an offer that adequately addresses the needs of our membership" But he stopped short of saying that there would need to a complete agreement on a new contract to avoid a strike.

Rather, he wrote the union would walk off the job Wednesday morning "unless we have achieved the basis for a tentative agreement," suggesting that a broad framework for a deal would be all that would be needed to avoid the union's second work stoppage in three weeks.

UAW spokesman Roger Kerson declined to comment early Wednesday.
Chrysler eyes cutting 1,500 non-union jobs

The union is trying to use the deal reached at General Motors (Charts, Fortune 500) on Sept. 26 after a two-day strike as the pattern for an agreement with Chrysler.

That deal, which is undergoing a rank-and-file ratification process that is expected to be concluded Wednesday, shifts about $51 billion in future costs to provide healthcare to retirees and their family members to a union-controlled trust fund. It also provided the union job guarantees in the form of commitments to build future GM products at U.S. plants.

David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich., said Tuesday that it appeared the GM contract would be ratified with about 60 percent of the vote despite protests from some members. The historic agreement establishes lower pay for some workers and puts GM's retiree debt into a UAW-run trust in exchange for promises of future work at U.S. plants.

Typically, the union crafts an agreement with one Detroit automaker and then persuades the other two to match its terms. But it was unclear how much of GM's contract Chrysler would want to adopt. The UAW is expected to bargain with Ford Motor Co. (Charts, Fortune 500) last.

Chrysler entered the talks seeking health care cost concessions that the UAW already granted to GM and Ford in 2005. Bargaining also has centered on how much Chrysler would pay into a company-funded, union-run trust that would take over its unfunded retiree health care costs, estimated at $18 billion.

The union agreed to the creation of such a trust last month in GM's contract, but GM needed the trust more than Chrysler because it has 340,000 retirees and surviving spouses - compared with 78,000 at Chrysler - and billions more in retiree debt.

Also at issue are the union's desire for job security pledges at U.S. factories and Chrysler's wish to contract out work now done by higher-wage union members, according to a person briefed on the talks. The person requested anonymity because the talks are private.

If there is a strike at Chrysler, it would be the first one to hit the automaker since 1985, when the union struck select locations for 12 days. The company has never seen a nationwide strike, according to company spokeswoman Michele Tinson.

At factories and union halls Tuesday, workers filled out paperwork for strike pay and signed up for picket duty.

Charles Spencer, president of Local 122 in Twinsburg, Ohio, whose members work at a Chrysler stamping plant there, said the threat of a strike was catching some of the rank and file by surprise.

"It's slowly sinking in that they will be on strike," he said. "Probaby 65 percent of my membership has never been on strike. Myself, I've been through four strikes. I survived, they'll survive. We're all ready to do whatever they ask us to do to support the union negotiators."

Some workers said they didn't know what to expect from the talks because Chrysler recently became a private company. Daimler AG finalized the sale of a majority share in Chrysler to the private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP in August, shortly after the contract talks began.

Melvin Thompson, president of a UAW local at a Chrysler truck plant in Warren, Mich., near Detroit, said there is uncertainty in having a new bargaining partner.

"There is a difference," he said. "We don't know what that difference is yet."

It would be to Cerberus' advantage to settle some of Chrysler's labor cost issues in the new contract without a lengthy strike, said Standard & Poor's credit analyst Gregg Lemos-Stein.

"One would have to imagine if their return on investment would be superior if they were to achieve a contract that would address some of these very serious legacy cost issues," he said.

Analysts agreed that a short-term strike would have little effect on Chrysler and might even help the company reduce inventory. Chrysler had a 71-day supply of cars and trucks on dealer lots at the end of August, according to Ward's AutoInfoBank. An ideal supply is around 60 days.

But a walkout that lasts longer than a month would start to cut into sales, said Paul Taylor, chief economist with the National Automobile Dealers Association. Taylor said a strike could hurt sales of hot-sellers like the Chrysler Aspen sport utility vehicle and Jeep Wrangler four-door. Chrysler also is in the middle of the critical launch of its new minivans.

Chrysler said it already planned to idle five assembly plants and some parts making factories for short stretches during the next two weeks in an effort to adjust its inventory to a slowing U.S. automotive market. Top of page
GM deal: big stakes, questions
 
The strike is underway, except at Belvidere and a few others already "idled"...

What are the chances that Chrysler decides, given "only" 49,000 workers, that they are going to be a non-union shop instead of coming to an agreement?

How long would they need to train new non-union employees to get the job done? After all, they have too much inventory again because they ramped up in expectation of a strike.

Just a thought...
 
These are the plants that union workers did not strike. Workers did not leave the Warren Truck assembly plants in Warren, Mich.; Newark, Del., assembly; Jefferson North assembly in Detroit; Belvidere assembly in Belvidere, Ill., and the Conner Avenue assembly plant in Detroit. The unions are destroying this country as surely as any terror group. Is it any wonder that most everything sold in this country is made in China. NO unions there. When someone agrees to do a job for a certain pay, they should do the job or go find another.:blah:
 
Those are not part of the strike because they were already idle, might as well get regular pay instead of strike pay, no vehicles are being produced either way.
 
I have nothing against nor any ill will toward the current membership, I just think that unions in this country have done their job (in most industries)... When they were created conditions were absolutely deplorable. Paid next to nothing for VERY hard labor, lucky to survive your job, etc. Those conditions do not exist today (in most industries, mining is still risky no matter what) because of the unions and the laws enacted on the behalf of those not in the union. Therefore, the unions of today are not necessary to maintain a safe and reasonable environment, they are necessary for their membership to maintain the price floor above free market industry levels. In my last post, I mentioned the possiblity of non-union labor at Chrysler, because it is likely to happen here or production will be moved elsewhere. It is the reality of global competition and desire from consumers for low prices.
 
The Unions have become the Corporation. They now exists at the expense of thier members. Some will lose with the downfall of the unions, but more will gain in the short and long run...including the consumer. Like someone mentioned above, there was a time that unions were needed to protect the single employee from horrible conditions. Now, if they don't do something, only foreign companies will be building vehicles here...lol. It is a sticky situation.
 
Unions are destroying America? Please people. Within the past decade, pension plans have dissapeard and people no longer have medical benifits.

I just wish some people would applaude them for trying to earn a decent wage for once. :notworthy:

Look what happens in most industries. You work for a number of years and dedicate your life to a company only to get laid off for a young college grad because off all of your salary inceases over the years.

I think the time for unions are back again. We need health care and most people want the free market to take care of that. Its up to us, the worker.

Queue all of the Unions are evil diolog once again but the fact of the matter is, are we better off because of unions or would you like to go back to 6 day 80 hour work weeks.

/gets off soap box
 
The problem is though is what they think the 'decent' wage is is far more than the market will bear, you can't give a 10% pay raise without passing the cost on companies don't want to be non-profits.

Health care is just plain unaffordable once again more than the market will bear for the company to pay it, talk to the scumbag lawyers and worthless judges for letting people get away with ridiculous lawsuits.

No offense to any of the workers but I'm sorry standing on an assembly line putting the same 6 bolts is not skilled labor, if you can train someone off the street to do the job in an hour you don't deserve to get paid $40/hour.

Let's not forget too that a lot of the problem is the consumer, me included. When I picked up the brake rotors for my brother's YJ the brake rotors were $19 a piece for the Chinese made rotors and $48 for the US made ones. Had the US made ones been maybe $25 I probably would have bought those but they've just priced themselves out of the market.
 
If Chrysler tried to dissolve the UAW ..GM and Ford would go on strike on a national level .. Remember the UAW has members in just about all segments of manufacturing. aviation, military contracts. They have tried to organize just about everything that breathes ..with some luck. They have even dabbled with organizing casino workers. With the global competition it is tough on all auto manufacturing. The company wants something back and the union as of now would just like to keep what they have. Both have given in the past and to succeed today both still needs to give. I would think that the strike will be short ....nuff said.

Good Day !!
 
To get an good understanding of where unions were, read the book Meet You In Hell. It is about Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick and their rise to power. It gives a good overview of the Carnegie Steel Strike in Homestead, PA in July, 1892.
 
Unions had their place, and they were needed.

Note the past tense.

Now, I am not quite in the "they're completely useless" camp. Some, like the building trades, do useful things by ensuring quality of work. Others, like the UFCW (former card-carrying member of that one) are as useless as they can get (I don't remember any good things that union did for me).

I have no problem with collective bargaining. As a matter of fact, I think some groups would do well to implement it (I think a good unionizing would help Wal-Mart's employees, just so long as they don't go nuts doing it). The problem is the union goes all out to protect the members' jobs, to the point of "you can't plug that in, you need the union member to do that, but the guy is on break most of the time." Ditto the protection of the useless workers and the elevation of seniority over competence. Sure, they want to stay employed- I have no issues with that, but they take it to the extreme and in so doing end up being more of an obstacle to productivity than anything else.

If the unions would reinvent themselves and their priorities, they'd have a MUCH easier time getting sympathy from the American people as well as getting what they really need out of the businesses they work for.

Busting the unions isn't mandatory to survival for these companies, but if the unions persist in hindering productivity while demanding wages and benefits unheard of anywhere else, then it may become so.
 
Picket the Picket line

YEAH! Now ship my freaking Riot, you fruitloops!!! Enough of the cat poop!

Ollie you should picket the picket line !! Tell those lazy mongrels that you are keeping them in a job and you want your Patriot shipped tomorrow or else !! :eek:
 
LOL - so true man!

If they strike, I think the company should still be obligated to get placed orders to their customers, especially the ones that are already build. If you have to, bring in 3rd party truckers to pick up the vehicles.

With me being right across the street from Chrysler here in Auburn Hills, I was amazed at the lawlessness of some of the UAW clowns. They think they own the world. Blocking traffic left and right (which they are not allowed to do). But then again, shame on the local Police Dept for not enforcing the law and arrest some of the douchebags!

Anyways...get me my RIOT!!! All this yibbeyabba pisses me off....
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