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Hey guys,

New to the forum. I have owned many Jeeps in the past. All were inline 6 Wrangler TJ's or inline 6 Cherokee XJ models. I came across this 2014 Patriot, but I am a little leery of Chrysler products in general. (I Kind of consider the TJ & XJ to sort of be leftover AMC DNA) I know the Patriot is much maligned by the automotive press, because I have read and done my homework, but I have also read consumer reviews and they are somewhat more favorable.

I like the "idea" of the patriot for a couple of reasons. One, I need something that I can commute back and forth to our cabin which is 90 miles form our house one way. And two, because I will do some light off-roading on the local forest service roads, national park service roads and the dirt road where where our cabin is located, so the more off-road capable vs other SUV's in it's class, Jeep patriot appeals to me. Plus getting mileage in at least the high 20's and maybe low 30's vs the 17mpg my 4x4 Ford Ranger gets on the 90 mile commute every week is appealing.

This particular Patriot is the Freedom 1 4x4 system, which from what I understand, is basically an AWD system and has the locking center differential. It has the 2.4 liter motor, which from what I understand is the one I want with more power. It has the 6 speed auto, which I like the idea of better than the CVT. I hate CVT's. I would have preferred a manual, but I understand the 6 speed auto is sourced from Hyundai. It is the sport model. The little truck is in good shape, with no rips, tears or noticeable scratches. It runs well and everything works. There is a check engine light on. He says it's been on since 60k and is related to the catalytic converter.

I guess the only two knocks on the little truck is that it is really dirty, which I can easily remedy with a deep cleaning, and the mileage is high at 173k miles. He was a travelling sales rep and put about 50k a year on it. That doesn't bother me all that much because I know that long distance highways miles are easy on a vehicle.

I can pick it up this week for $3000 and drive it home. Yes or no and why?

I realize that this is a Jeep Patriot site so I'm expecting some favorable posts, but asking on other car forums and I am more likely to get know it all's parroting all the stuff that the automotive press dishes out or telling me anecdotal stories of their cousin's, friend's aunt who blew and engine, etc...

Thanks for any feedback!
 
I'd be tempted too. Pick up a cheap code reader and check for codes yourself, don't take the sellers word that it's just cat related, and definitely check for rusted cross members.
 
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It's local from Alabama so I'm not worried about rust. Not too concerned about the CEL either since he's been running it that way for over 100k miles. I guess I'm more concerned about the overall long term reliability of these cars. I've had a CEL on my truck for over a year.
 
I have a 2007 low mileage Patriot. There are members on this site with mid 200,000 on their engines and still going strong. Check suspension and corrosion also you say you have had numerous jeeps in the past so you know what to look for pretty much. The Cel issue should be checked so you know what the issue is. Buy it if you have the $3,000 to spare and hope it works out for you.
 
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I guess to narrow down my question... Are there any inherent issues with the 2.4 "World Engine" or the Hyundai sourced 6 speed auto transmission? All the other stuff is fluff and I can take care of that. not worried about rust since it's been in Alabama it's whole life.
 
I haven't really heard of any real reliability issues with the World Engine or the 6 speed automatic.
 
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I researched the drive train reliability question VERY well (understatement) before purchasing my 2014 Patriot. The Dundee, MI built 2.4L engine is very reliable. The only internet hits I got on rebuilder sites was that they generally only saw these engines for rebuilding due to very high mileage wear, not component failure, design issues, etc.. The engine has a reputation of being a bit dated compared to newer engines with GDI, turbos, etc.. It's performance regarding power and mpg is mediocre compared to newer designs. It tends to be a "bit" noisy/buzzy (subjective, fine to me) - often described as "less refined" compared to the newest technology. The updated "Tigershark" version was suppose to remedy some of these shortfalls, but the results were modest, IMO. A few people report increased oil usage with the Tigershark - a common complaint of many new low piston ring pressure engines. My MOPAR mechanic friend told me that when FCA bought out the GEMA rights to the engine around 2009, they made a few minor improvements to an "already reliable engine". Like you, drive train reliability was a major factor in my purchase decision vs. high performance, etc.. It was a major decision making point for me (mister analysis paralysis dude) and I delayed purchase until the 6 spead tranny came out.

One Achilles heel of the engine is the throttle body. It has plastic gears and has a reputation for going out between 50 - 100 K miles. Dealers want $600+ to replace. It can be purchased under $200 and is a diy job for mid level shadetree mechanics (accessible from the top, unlike the FSM instructions). There was a small batch (500) of engines produced in early 2013 that had some machining defect that required a recall, so check the mfg. date: https://repairpal.com/recall/13V552000 .

The Hyundai Powertech 6f24 transmission is used in quite a few Hyundai/Kia vehicles. I found just a few "problem" threads early on, but there does not seem to be any hysteria type internet discussions about excessive failure. For comparison, Google "Ford dual clutch transmission" used in the Focus. It seems FCA had to iron out a lot of early issues with the 9 speed trannies used in the Renegade. Nothing like that for the 6F24. Don't be put off by the lifetime fluid or the sealed transmission claim. The tranny has a drain plug, fill plug, and two level check plugs.....it just doesn't come with a dipstick. Most educated people recommend fluid changes a minimum of every 50 to 60K miles.

Since the 2011 and 2014 refreshes, I also have not seen the plethora of front end suspension failures that the first generation had. Squeaks and rattles for few owners...

My other posts here always include my thoughts that the Patriot is built to entry level standards, meaning that the trim quality, etc. is not up to par with more expensive vehicles. So be it. I will be at year 7 with my Patriot in a few months and ownership cost has been very low. I baby mine and keep on top of all of the routine maintenance, doing most of it myself. 173k miles??? .....many vehicles at that age are going to start needing new struts, suspension parts, wheel bearings, etc. from normal wear and tear.
 
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Treegrower, (Mr_et2 too)

Thank you for your very well written and thoughtful response.

Yes. 173k is high miles. And it will need shocks. Surprisingly so not as bad as you might think. I was thinking of a 2" lift anyway so I will get after the suspension when I get under there.

I was the same with you when I researched the engine and transmission. I couldn't find much information period, but I certainly didn't find any prevalent issues.

So even with the high mileage, and knowing they were over the road highway miles vs everyday grocery getter, commuter miles, I'm feeling more confident in the little car for the purposes I described in my first post. It will be a 4th car in our family. My wife has a CX5 and I have a 4x4 Ford Ranger and a PRHT Miata. So if I have to pull it into my garage for some kind of repair, I'll still have something to drive.
 
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