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Travis304

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Hi folks,

I recently made a post pertaining to the all-too-common CVT whine / whir, which appears to correlate with CVT transmission failure. We all know how expensive an R & R on these transmissions can be, so I set out to do something about it.

PROLOGUE: My '07 Pat has ~105,000 miles on it, and is driven quite a lot: Around 60 miles a day, including hill climbs, highway speeds for at least 40 minutes, and stop-and-go traffic... Basically the three things that stress out a transmission. Mine started to develop the whine, whir, hesitations and clunky shifting from P to Drive / Reverse after being ran awhile.

SOLUTION: I've finally been able to get an auxiliary intercooler installed! This transmission cooler (NOT an engine oil cooler) is installed in-line with the factory cooler (which is simply inadequate). This intercooler is an 8x10 copper coiled radiator. It does not use a fan. It is mounted directly in front of the engine's radiator.

PROCESS: Install time was ~3.5 hours. To get to the transmission's cooling lines, the front bumper cover had to be removed. I went to Jeff Daniel's Jeep in Harleysville, PA. They do awesome work and create some serious Jeep monsters. The cooler itself was universal, and ran $75. Total install was around $330. CVT fluid had to be topped off to proper levels (very important), which is obviously expensive, at around $17 a quart.

RESULTS: I drove the Pat from Jeff Daniel's to my office 40 minutes away. It's 90+ today, and I drove it pretty briskly, doing some hill climbs taking back roads, and eventually getting onto the highway.

LIKE NEW (so far): I can accelerate around 200-300 RPM less than before, after it'd been heated up. I hear no CVT whine, no metallic whirring, no hesitating, no slipping feelings, no inconsistent power band. It appears to have remedied this common problem.

Picture of the new cooler is attached.

I'll post an update after my commute home, when I go through the aforementioned stop-and-go, highway, and hill climbs.
 

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Hey Trav, so thankful for your post today! Earlier was driving Patty on the highway doing some serious climbing at 70 mph and had a new light come on. My rpm started to fall and I could not continue at 70 mph. Took a look in the manual for the light and apparently I'm having overheating issues, along with everything else described in your above post. Is this all I need for my girl to run better? I'm at a loss which is why I joined the forum. Please help me!
 
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UPDATE: LBoogie, yes, this will help you quite a lot, I imagine.

I experienced quite a long commute today (got stuck on the road 15 minutes later than normal, in the middle of rush hour) so my commute was even longer. Patriot performed great. No whine, no bucking or stuttering, and I was able to climb up to, and past, 70 mph without trying.

It cruises at lower RPMs, too. Where I used to be at 2100 - 2300 cruising, it now drops below 2000 RPMs. I parked it after about an hour and 15 minutes of driving, and the cooler was cool enough to the touch that I didn't burn myself. It was hot enough to know its working just fine, but this shows a massive decrease in temperature. Before, I used to try to place my finger on the factory cooling lines, and I burned myself.

I hope that others do the same fix. I'll reach out to Jeff Daniels and inquire where they get their intercoolers from. They install a lot of them, so this one is proven for other Jeeps that have no factory trans cooler.
 
Is it basically this part that needs to be installed?
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Thank you for the thoughtful response. This sounds like the answer to my problems. I'm a lady and I receive some talking down when I go to a garage and as a result I know next to nothing beyond changing tires and oil -_- I have this horrible feeling every day driving that this day will be the day she'll blow.
 
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I know that exact feeling. Our Patriot is the daily commuter workhorse for both me and my wife, AND it's the vehicle we use to drop our daughter off / pick her up from daycare. I always dreaded driving it because of these symptoms of failure.

I recommend searching for a non-franchise (locally-owned) shop that specializes in off-road or enthusiast vehicles. Plenty of rock crawler 4x4's and sports cars that see a race track get transmission cooler upgrades at shops like this.

When you find a shop, don't bother explaining the "story of the CVT whine". Just state simply, "I want an auxiliary transmission cooler installed in-line with my factory cooler for my Jeep Patriot". A good shop won't argue with you, ask you why, etc., but will give you a quote (which should be less than 4 hours of labor) and schedule an installation.
 
I've driven all thoughout the southwest in the summer, and never had an overheating problem, so I suspect this may be an isolated event to your vehicle....?
 
I overheated the tranny and engine in my 08 several times, off road. Had to sit and let it cool off.

I might look into this for myself, for the 14.

Where in PA is this shop you went to? I'm in north central PA.
 
Anyone know where to get a new CVT cooler filter? I'll have to ask the dealership about that next time I'm there. I just bought an external transmission cooler and plan to install it in a week or two.
 
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Jack.Allwerdt: Unfortunately I've seen the overheating issue affect many Patriot owners.

Dixiedawg: The shop's called Jeff Daniels Jeep, and they're located at 495 Indian Creek Rd, Harleysville, PA 19438. When you pull up you know they mean business - loads of Willys, CJs, crawlers laying about. Garage is always full with something strange and mean-looking.

SREJECT: I'm not sure where to purchase the OEM trans filter, but I have a feeling when I had my Chrysler dealership do my Patriot's fluid, that they did not replace the filter.

I'm going to have it changed again, because I still get some whining and symptoms of heat issues (and it's cooler now, in the 60s / 50s)... and I'm going to politely ask for the original filter to be provided to me, in-hand, as proof.
 
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I bought a Hayden Rapid Cool 678 and hope to have it installed soon. I bought the CVT dipstick too so the off road shop can check my level before I drive it to the dealer to have them also check the CVT fluid level for free.

$80/hour vs $139/hr with the shop compared to the dealer to install! Gotta save when I can...
 
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I bought a Hayden Rapid Cool 678 and hope to have it installed soon. I bought the CVT dipstick too so the off road shop can check my level before I drive it to the dealer to have them also check the CVT fluid level for free.

$80/hour vs $139/hr with the shop compared to the dealer to install! Gotta save when I can...
This is very similar to the cooler I had installed, and even if you're not experiencing any CVT transmission failure symptoms, it is still a great investment.
 
Pictures pictures pictures?!?!?

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I bought a Hayden Rapid Cool 678 and hope to have it installed soon. I bought the CVT dipstick too so the off road shop can check my level before I drive it to the dealer to have them also check the CVT fluid level for free.

$80/hour vs $139/hr with the shop compared to the dealer to install! Gotta save when I can...

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but "SREJECT" did you ever install this? What lines did you tie into and do you have any pictures? I've been getting a CVT whine on longer drives (longer then 4-5 hours) and would like to install a similar universal transmission cooler.

Thanks!
 
SREJECT still hasn't installed his last I knew. I have one on standby, hoping to have it installed within the next few months. There's a writeup on install in the "Jeep Patriot Around The World" facebook group that somebody did. Shows the included nylon zipties being stuck through the fins on the stock radiator, which some automotively-versed friends of mine say "don't stick ANYTHING through those fins, ever". Instructions say to do it that way though. Your call.
 
Hey RossoRacer, thanks for the tip on where to go. Found the installation walkthrough on their page and it doesn't look too bad. I'll be attempting it at some point next week.

I've got another question now for whoever can answer it. Before installing the aux transmission cooler, I want to replace the transmission cooler oil filter (the one in that metal pot thing) as it was previously mentioned in the first page. When I unscrew that metal pot housing apart, am I going to lose all my CVT fluid or is it just a bit that I can top off later with like a quart of the CVT fluid?
 
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