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paokarathodoros

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I think that by far the best modification we could do to enhance the off road abilities of the patriot would be if we could find a way to bypass or switch off the trackion control (additionally to the already available esp off button)

A few times (as said in other threads) patriot will stall , without being stuck in sand - mud, just because trackion control locks the engine (not sure what exactly does but has about this result, ie despite pressing the gas pedal no throttle is send out).:doh:

This limits severely the ability of the pat off road an nomatter lift etc... if we have no throttle we cant go anywhere?

Has anyone looked at it? Cause i think it would be more an inexprensive modification. sth to tamper with electronics....
 
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Someone posted that there is a fuse you can remove that will disable the BLDs, but I've never done it. I have gotten stuck in snow on a steep hill when the wheels would spin and the BLDs would lock up all 4 wheels.

In the FDII Patriot, sometimes it's better to not go into L off road gearing. as that mode allows for more aggressive BLD action.

You might try a search here on how to turn off, or how to disable, the BLDs.
 
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Fd1 Pats are severely lacking in the torque department. The other day I got stuck in mud so I used a come along to get out. The only way to continue forced my back tires to fall in the holes. I was stuck again, pedal to the floor no tires spinning, simply from lack of torque. Suzuki Samurai have a 1.3 liter engine and can always spin tires... We need an aftermarket torque converter or something. Maybe the software just sucks Idk... Anyone have similar experience with the new 6 speed?
 
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dixiedawg said:
Your tires not spinning is not due to lack of Torque, but due to the BLDs.

I also drive a Tracker, same as the Sami, so I do understand the difference.
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Definitely lack of torque. It's happened many times to me. Either climbing a ledge, a big rock, steep hill from stopped. A tire has to spin or have recently spun for the BLDs to activate. Even try climbing a curb straight on, from 0 speed, the Pat can barely make it. If the curb is more than 7-8" straight up you'll just sit there mooing... At least for a FDI.
 
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Don't get me started on the lack or torque thing...........

That thread linked is testing based on my 2008 patriot.

On my 2012 I believe it is #34 fuse, I will confirm later today when I drive home from work.

rcguymike FDII's moo too, just not quite as easy, I did wheel with a FDI the gearing and torque multiplication on FDII's helps but ultimately they both suffer from lack of torque.

The thing about taking the abs fuse out, or changing making a button is that, because of the limited articulation without any bld's the MK's can become pretty useless offroad. Deep mud and snow ect, that is where having the bld's disabled helps.
 
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Tyler-98-W68 said:
Don't get me started on the lack or torque thing...........

That thread linked is testing based on my 2008 patriot.

On my 2012 I believe it is #34 fuse, I will confirm later today when I drive home from work.

rcguymike FDII's moo too, just not quite as easy, I did wheel with a FDI the gearing and torque multiplication on FDII's helps but ultimately they both suffer from lack of torque.

The thing about taking the abs fuse out, or changing making a button is that, because of the limited articulation without any bld's the MK's can become pretty useless offroad. Deep mud and snow ect, that is where having the bld's disabled helps.
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Did you ever get that switch wired?
 
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I haven't not got the switch wired yet. I have the wiring run for the control switch into the cab, but I'm still puzzled as how to wire up a relay or something to control it. Electrical anything is not my specialty as all.

As for pulling the fuse, I've always taken the fuse out while the vehicle is turned off, I don't think there would be an issue with disabling the abs while the vehicle is running or in motion, however actually pulling the fuse while running might cause an arc while removing it.
 
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paokarathodoros said:
Ιs it safe to put in and out the ABS fuse?
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It is just as safe as an older car without ABS.
Driving any sort of vehicle comes with risk and ABS gives you better control when a wheel locks up. The ABS system is used for preventing a car from spinning out, rolling over or losing control while stopping.

The BLDs are a new function using the ABS system that allows the computer to help us accelerate when one or more tires has less traction than another.
paokarathodoros said:
That torque converter what is it?
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Long interesting video...long story short it takes place of a clutch in a manual transmission.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
1) Why do u think that with BLD unfused there is a danger to harm the vehicle ( in the above posted old thread due to lack of articulation??)

I believe we just need to unfused it just to get unstuck .. and then we fuse it back

2) I also asked if there is a risk that if driving with ABS fused off could mess - confuse other electronics that cooperate together, even when later we put the fuse back



Of course i think it is better to turn off engine before unplugging the fuse. I am j



additionally to the above previous thread this old thread is also interesting
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24579&page=4
 
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I guess I should have been more clear, there is zero issues with driving with the abs fuse pulled. My reference to the bld's being disabled was related to offroad performance. Limited articulation means the wheels come off the ground easier, which without the bld's means you would have a hard time maintaining forward momentum.
 
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BLDs can help in some instances, but can be a hinder in mud, snow and ice, especially off road.

I run chains some of the year off road (mostly on my driveway) and even with chains you can get some wheel slip, which makes the BLDs kick in.

Comparing to the Tracker, Patriot does well, but Tracker will let you spin the tires to keep going, Patriot locks up all 4 wheels.
 
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Maybe I'm the outlier of the situation but I've never had many torque issues with my patriot with climbing relatively steep inlines off road.
 
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The4WDPatriot said:
Maybe I'm the outlier of the situation but I've never had many torque issues with my patriot with climbing relatively steep inlines off road.
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If you have a few Mph head start it's not too bad. It's if you're in a rocky area and there are rocks that you have to go over(practically a vertical climb) that you will get moo syndrome. Usually you can back up a bit and bump it but if you are stuck in a hole or with rocks in front and behind you can run into trouble. Or in my most recent case your tires dig straight down and to go anywhere you have to climb 12" up and then forward.

Or if you're in sand... Then it's real bad... Lol
 
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