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Test drove renegade

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#1 ·
I had some free time being unemployed :( so I test drove a renegade. I was impressed with how much bigger they are than they appear in pictures. I parked it next to my patriot and it was just as tall and wider. It wasn't as long but I think the only reason the patriot was longer was because the patriot has bumpers that stick out more. The actual cabin area seemed to be about the same size. The part I was interested in the most was if the inside was big enough to hold 2 full size mountain bikes which I like to do with the patriot. It was an inch shorter in the "bed" length with the seats down and an inch shorter in width. But about 2 inches higher in ceiling height. I bet I could fit the bikes in just barely. I am sure the member Creation would have plenty of head room in the renegade because there just is more.

I test drove the 2.4L 4 wheel drive latitude edition. It had plenty of power to get going fast.

I wonder how the trail hawk matches up, I think its a bit wider. I am not sure where the patriot will fit in the jeep line up if the renegade is really the same size minus the bumpers.
 
#2 ·
I understand there will not be any 2016 Patriots...
 
#5 ·
Thats what I thought too. I measured the inside back. It was only an inch less in length and and inch less in width but 2 inches taller. The passenger interior space according to the jeep website is only 4 cubic feet bigger for the patriot. I was even impressed with the passenger rear leg room. I was able to sit in the back being 6'3. Like I said most of the difference in size between the patriot and renegade comes from the bumpers sticking out on the patriot.
 
#10 ·
So, will someone go out and test drive the new Cherokee and do a comparison with the Renegade vs. the Patriot....inquiring minds, and all that stuff, you know....
 
#20 ·
Wife has had a Cherokee Limited since Nov 2013, no comparison, fit finish wise the Cherokee wins, fuel economy the Cherokee wins, here in Canada, a Cherokee and patriot can be had in the some price point, so its a no brainer, its a new vehicle so it should be better than the existing platform. As I've said before if there was a lift kit for the new KL Cherokee i'd have one, but until there is a lift, i'm not interested.
 
#12 ·
I've said it before, I'll say it again.....the Cherokar and Renegade are both far from the simple/rugged/utilitarian Jeepness that the Willy's MB and Patriot MK(especially low-end) both exemplify. The CVT may seem like a modern deal to some, but it's a product of Leonardo Da Vinci's mind, and is indeed much simpler than an 18-wheeler transmission like on the Cherokar and Renegade. Dare I say it, even the Wrangler is going toward this whole "refinement" crap that just does not make a Jeep, though it does have some part in the Grand Cherokee.
 
#15 ·
You might as well get used to it. That 9 speed transmission will likely be in ever Jeep model in a few years. Its the reality of government mandated fuel economy requirements, and while we Patriot owners may have been happy with the CVT, the conclusion by Jeep, Chrysler, and the other US manufacturers is that they are better off going with traditional automatics with a ton of gears to get that fuel economy.

Jeeps "refinement" is costing them their customer base. I'm waiting for one of the emerging countries to make a good old fashioned jeep-like vehicle: simple, utilitarian, functional and not all gussied up with useless inventions.
That refinement has them on track for record sales yet again. Jeep is no longer the niche brand, its FiatChrysler's SUV nameplate. That means its going to be aimed at the mass market SUV owner. And forget about somebody making something utilitarian like you want - it would never be legal to meet US safety and fuel economy standards. There is already talk about making backup cameras standard in a few years on every car sold here.
 
#14 ·
Jeeps "refinement" is costing them their customer base. I'm waiting for one of the emerging countries to make a good old fashioned jeep-like vehicle: simple, utilitarian, functional and not all gussied up with useless inventions. Do I really need a radar to help me back up? Do I need TPMS to tell me a tire is soft? Do I need a <beep> to tell me I'm crossing the line? For crying out loud, pay attention people! Back-up camera? Power sun visors? My Olds even had a light to tell me my DRLs were on (and they couldn't be shut off!) :doh:
Now I can't even drive a Jeep through brush without risking the airbag exploding in my face. :wow: If I'd had an airbag I never would have gotten home in the Blizzard of '78.
 
#21 ·
Jeeps "refinement" is costing them their customer base.
With record sales numbers, Jeep is pretty much carrying FCA on it's shoulders right now.

They might be sacrificing their old customer base, but they're gaining tons of new customers. From an accountant's perspective, they have EVERY incentive to keep doing what they're doing - friendlier, on-road wagons with juuuust enough ability to not fail entirely when tested on a well-used park trail.

They can keep selling niche vehicles and remain small, or make hay while the crossover sun shines.

Besides, ask any "true Jeep enthusiast"... there hasn't been a REAL Jeep since the (fill in the blank) _J. These are people that already have a Jeep of said vintage, and are entirely consumed with modifying that one, rather than buying a new one anyway.
 
#16 · (Edited)
I simply cannot understand the complaints about Jeep losing its customer base when Jeep is manufacturing and selling more vehicles than ever, that is, Jeep's "customer base" is growing. FCA US LLC is owned by an Italian company - Jeep is what it is in the here and now, all bitchin and moanin aside. I do not like the Cherokar whatsoever, and as such, I chose not to buy one. I lament the demise of the Willy's, CJs, Grand Wagoneer, original Cherokee, and the Commander too, but such is life. If one feels that Jeep fails to offer what one is looking for, one can simply follow other's advise and not buy in, but rather, buy something else. It's really that simple.

Sign of the times, is when the Defender dies this year...and when you look at what's been introduced in the line-up, one realizes that no vehicle escapes "refinement" and the march of time.
 
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#22 ·
I wonder how the renegade will hold its value. I tend to buy most cars 5-10 years old, because they are simply cheaper to buy that way, but still have a lot of life left in them. Patriots hold their value surprisingly well, especially compared to how cheap you can buy them new right now. and wranglers go for more used than they do new sometimes.
 
#23 ·
I admit I don't see how Jeep has to leave it's legacy in the dust of the Rubicon and be just like all the Hondas and Fords to "not be a 'niche' vehicle". Jeep built it's legacy not just on capability, but on something simple(easy to build, repair, keep clean, drive, etc.), rugged(can take more of a beating than other vehicles and still run), and utilitarian(weekend of trailriding followed by taking the kids to school and getting grocieries), among other things. Their vehicles also have always looked more rugged, and this goes beyond a few badges and a 7-slot grille. That's why I'd take the Patriot any day over anything they've come out with since 2013, and part of the reason why most of the vehicles I like were made before the first Patriots even rolled off the assembly lines. A vehicle doesn't have to have alot of creature comforts to sell well, it has to be classy yet classic(cough cough...Patriot), fill more purposes than just a frame with wheels and seats(half-decent power, room for passengers and luggage, maybe camping gear), and go where it needs to go without dying. This, I believe, is why some former Cherokee/Grand Cherokee owners have ended up with the Patriot, why the Patriot is usually chosen over the competition(including the Compass in many cases...the classic bit), and why many Jeepers including myself don't like the Cherokar.

The Patriot is, in it's basest form, a very affordable(in new-automotive terms) 4x4 that outshines other companies in that regard for its class, has a simple charm, is comfy enough for road trips, and is capable of more than 20mpg's. Kinda like Jeep's version of a Chevette or a Beetle. Pretty much what many call a "niche" vehicle, yet that's how many Patriot "veterans", so to speak, like myself have bought them. I'm sure most of our newer members have bought their 2014+ Patriots with quite a few extra toys, and I'm not trying to slam that. Just saying that they're not necessarily needed to make a vehicle that sells well, and the Patriot is a shining example. It's also why the Cherokar and Renegade should have been built much differently, if at all.
 
#30 ·
I've drawn a comparison between the base-spec Patriot and the VW Beetle before as well; I think it's an apt association. Glad I'm not the only one who sees that.

But here's my question: What is it specifically that you rail against when you talk about the new Cherokee, or the Renegade? What is this vaunted "tradition" that gets tossed around here to often that people are clinging to?

The Jeep tradition starts with a barebones military runabout. It was designed to be an engine with 4 wheels and seats, and marginally better than walking. If that's what you're after - absolutely spartan, zero-frills, dead-simple, and marginally better than walking - then no vehicle produced since the inception of the Jeep will pass your muster, except perhaps a couple models of farm tractor.

Think about it this way: you want a vehicle that will tackle a powerline road, ford a modest-sized stream, get you down to the beachhead and back... and then able to turn around and take the kids from soccer practice to the grocery store, then home via the freeway with less drama than an episode of Blue's Clues. This literally covers probably half the new car market, and 99% of Jeep's current lineup, including the Cherokee and Renegade. Cars today are built much better and with much more capability than they were decades ago.

Are you railing against comfort? Because all said, from the driver's perspective, that's about the only major difference - the visceral experience of muscling an unassisted steering wheel and a three-lever gearbox while bouncing on leaf springs, or a point-and-shoot experience in something more akin to an office chair and a computer. I GET the appeal of the former, but I also get the appeal of the latter. The market of current Jeeps is very much like the market for modern cameras. Yes, there is definitely an appeal to an old Yashica with manual focus, but you can't deny that digital cameras have their place too, and many many more people are finding digital cameras to be more appealing from a price-point perspective, as well as the perspective of not feeling too dumb to understand F-stops and aperture settings. The exact same can be said about an old Willys vs a brand new Renegade.

The fact is, Jeep is making money. At the end of the day, the goal of any business is to make money. Its as true now as it was back then. The old Jeep was a company trying to justify its own existence by selling a product that nobody else in the US had. That's how they made their name iconic; THAT is their tradition. Now, there are so many basic, beige vehicles available that can do what only the old Jeeps could do before. Jeep has been required to innovate to a point, but they've hit a wall; their iconic name, their very popularity, has pulled them out of niche status. They CAN'T make niche vehicles anymore, because they are surfing on a wave of popularity, and that wave says "I really want a Jeep, and I have all this money (er, credit) to spend, but i kiiiiiinda want it to be more like this, and less like that." They've opened up to market focus groups and government mandates and corporate bean counters. Jeep's game now is not one of establishing credibility, nor one of maintaining it; their goal now is to further the brand.

I watched an in-car video of one of those Camp Jeep things, where they set up the various obstacles for the Jeep vehicles to drive across to highlight the new features and assess the capabilities of each platform. They had an in-car video of passengers inside a new Cherokee, following a new Wrangler, up a 35° incline and decline ramp. The Wrangler crawled right up with little hesitation. The Cherokee, also, crawled right up, with little hesitation, then descended the other side without the driver touching the gas or brake on the way down. Then the video smash-cuts to an in-car video of a Renegade, doing the same incline, admittedly with a bit more noise from the engine, but little hesitation, and descended in the same, controlled manner. Like it or not, the Cherokee and the Renegade are capable machines. I never once saw a Patriot or Compass, even a Trail-Rated version, doing those obstacles courses in all the years they've been on the market.

You can call 'em both ugly, I won't disagree there. I find the Renegade charming, at least. The Cherokee styling is, to me, more Subaru Tribeca than Jeep, but whatever.

I'm not trying to convince you to like either of the two newest models from Jeep. I likely won't own either one in my lifetime, and I really think brand loyalty is a marketing CEO's wet dream, which I choose not to be part of. By some unknowable set of circumstances, I have come to own a Jeep; Jeep doesn't own me, nor do I choose to advertise/evangelize for them. It was simply my best option at the time. I get when brand loyalty is attached to a really good product; a product has earned that level of admiration. WhatI don't get is sheeplike behavior revolving a nameplate. What I understand even less is backlash against said nameplate when they don't make the same car they did 20 years ago. They pay lots and lots of money to people to tell them what an average of 1,000 Joe Schmoes want to buy. Not Joe himself, but the overall leaning of the group. Don't be mad at Jeep, be mad at the soccer moms who show up at a dealership with a credit prequal from their credit union, and a vague memory from their late teens of an older boyfriend who used to drive a topless, lifted Wrangler, who made love to them on the beach one night... or the 59-year-old guy facing down his second Return of Saturn and his first mid-life crisis with a handful of hard-earned cash and a testosterone patch. They are watering down "your" Jeep experience. Who rides Harleys anymore? Doctors, lawyers, accountants, assistant deputies, college professors... How many "bikers" are still bikers? And how many of those bikers are really, really looking for a worked-over panhead from the '60s with some apehangers and a sissy bar? Not when that one there has the electric start, a four-speaker sound system, and traction control.

The Patriot/Compass was never meant to be as good as it was. And now its a dead end. They still sell so well because they're cheap to make, and cheap to buy. What we are watching now is FCA banking on the fact that the Jeep name has built enough momentum to keep selling without relying on an inexpensive hold-over platform. Just like the original Beetle, the ideal of the People's Car, and Volkswagen's eventual move away from dirt-cheap-and-easy, this is the remnants of Chrysler saying, "Ok, let's distance ourselves from that, and sell some better products."

In THAT regard, I agree with you. Jeep is abandoning the lowest-common-denominator portion of the market by quitting the MK platform. But please understand, the Patriot, for all its utilitarian charm and charming utility, is a lowest-common-denominator vehicle. And Jeep doesn't want to be associated with that image anymore.
 
#24 ·
Without getting into a long rant which I've done before, if you want basic but more day to day usability, get a patriot/compass.

Also remember the wrangler is the current throwback to "real jeeps" you want basic transportation and offroad ability, a base model wrangler is awful close to the price of a patriot anyways, so Jeep really does have all bases covered. On the low end and the top end. Cherokee is a very comfortable vehicle that works great for a small family, and can go through stuff offroad most vehicle dream of, so how is that a bad thing?
 
#26 ·
Renegade.....

When I was at the dealership the salesman that sold me my riot told me that they had a Renegade out back,(I had talked about the Renegade on previous visits,and we both had looked at the various internet early reports on them).....They had just got this one in....so we jumped in my riot and drove out to the back lot where it was parked...we got out to have a look,I sat in it,the interior is nice....but....nope....not for me.....I know it will sell to the younger hipster kinda crowd.......I like the old school look and feel of the riot...the Renegade is definitely not my cup of tea....appealing to the young trendy crowd me thinks.

Cheers,
Bill.
 
#31 ·
When I spend a dollar, I don't want that dollar going to Italy. The problem I have in the whole equation (apart from the fact that the Renegade is one ugly assed car) is that FIAT is trying to redirect Jeep into a eurocentric brand. The only real surprise is that the Renegade doesn't have one forward gear and 8 reverse.......... (only the old farts like me will get this).

When Daimler owned Chrysler, the whole association with Mercedes upped the perception of the brand. FIAT influence over the Jeep brand will result, (indeed my experience with customer service and dealers in the UK shows it already has), in a cheapening of the Jeep brand and a lot of pissed off customers.

This year I was going to replace a Grand Cherokee with another Grand Cherokee. Instead I'll replace it with a Mercedes GL and it is ONLY because of my experience with the degraded customer service and incompetent new dealers who operate with a FIAT mindset. When I replace the old Patriot in the UK, I'll replace it with something Japanese, at least the Japs are not pretending to be anything other than Japs :)
 
#38 ·
I wrenched Harleys at a Harley BMW motorcycle dealership and the mindset of the two groups of bikers could not be farther apart. Harley riders plan all week for a 25 - 50 mile poker run. BMW riders throw down a 200-500 mile ride without much thought at all and no care for the weather.

Please don't categorize outlaws as "bikers" - they are 1%ers for a reason.
 
#39 ·
They may be 1%ers but outlaws are bikers and that is who the word 'biker' has been associated with for some time. It's also in the dictionary ' Informal. a member of a motorcycle gang' along with 'a person who rides a bicycle, motorcycle, or motorbike, especially in competition or as a hobby.' To distinguish between the two it is better to say enthusiast than biker so that the bad boy stereo type isn't imagined by the other person. I have been around enough enthusiasts and met a few ex Hell's Angels and they all say the same thing. If you are not part of one of the motorcycle gangs then you are not a biker. You are an enthusiast. People wish they they were some badass biker when really they are a ignorant pansy wanna be trying to live out this fantasy. It isn't until they have a run in with the bikers that they figure out that they are no biker. I like motorcycles and wouldn't mind having another one. But I sure as heck am not about to call myself a biker when I am not.
 
#43 ·
Lecture over? Whatever terminology works for you out there in AZ, I could care less. Here, a biker is a person who rides a motorcycle, generally, religiously. An outlaw biker is a 1%er, a motorcycle gang member. Enthusiast? Around here, that would get you laughed at (or worse) either with the bikers in front of Starbucks or with the outlaw bikers at whatever place you might find yourself unlucky enough to be with at the same time. You use your terms, I'll use mine - I left that world behind some time ago partly because of petty nomenclature bull**** like this. Live to ride, ride to live, yawn, I'll take my Pat/cage thank you very much.

Now back to the regularly scheduled Jeep Renegade programming.