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#1 ·
Hi everybody...I have been a member for a short time and this is my first post. I am planning on buying a 2008 Patriot North in a few days. I have read about a dozen reviews on the Patriot....all good.

In the December issue of Consumer reports there is a review of the Patriot.
Out of 17 SUV's tested, the Patriot ranked 16th and the Dodge Nitro was at the bottom of the list.

The Patriot was described as "being noisy...road noise is pronounced and engine noise is wearing. The steering lacks feedback with early understeer, sloppy handling, cheap looking and poorly finished plastic interior and poor emergency handling. No info available on reliability.

I'm wondering if anybody else has read this review and has any comments.
I also have a question...how many miles or kilometers on the odometer is considered acceptable when buying a new vehicle? Thanks in advance.
 
#4 ·
I've only had mine for a couple of weeks, but have been happy with it. No problems with the steering, seemed just as loud as my Subaru, but I have the radio on most of the time anyway.
As for others reviews I look at it like the movie critics, most movies they think are good I think are lousy and vice versa. Take a couple of test drives and decide for yourself.
Good Luck
Rich
 
#7 ·
Ignore Consumer Reports. Every magazine in the world ranked the new Malibu ahead of the Camry. Not CR. They are so in love with anything Japanese that they could never bring themselves to compliment anything American.
 
#10 ·
OMG 2 cars with the same issue!!!! Lets recall every model ever made!!

Reviewers are full of crap.

Get a jeep fan to review a car and u will get a different review than a Toyta fan..

Its simple...have a read, test drive and find out for yourself...

Q : Whats a warranty for?
A : To fix any problems.

If u read 5 different reviews by totally different people (professional reviewers) and they are all the same then its probably right.
 
#11 ·
#12 · (Edited)
snowsquall: I have had my Patriot since July and I offer my comments to those review comments you posted...

"being noisy..." The Patriot IS noisy. No doubt about it. I have the trail-rated version. This means I have the Goodyear SR-As. My tires contribute to noise. The Patriot is a four banger and my CVT2L tranny causes my engine to rev higher. This adds additional noise heard in the cabin. Being a four banger in an SUV (read as: a less appointed interior) you hear the engine noise more so than in a "car". The noise can be wearing.

"The steering lacks feedback..." Yes, it does to some degree. Then again, it is power assisted and not designed for Le Mans. I noticed some early understeer but I must admit, I was making an incredibly sharp, last minute right turn, under heavy braking, downhill on a steep highway grade. I have a feeling that the computer was reacting to situation as well.

"Sloppy handling" Horse hockey! It makes our 98 Cherokee Classic a handling clunker in comparison. Handling in the snow is so remarkable that I am sure there are drivers out there on the Toronto roads cursing me that I have attitude as I pass them on curves like it was a dry summer's day. A work colleague's range Rover doesn't even come close to the snow handling capabilities of my Patriot. The reviewer must have just finished test driving a Ferrari.

"Cheap looking..." Sure seems *adequate* to me. It is NOT plush and a tad harder than our Cherokee. I call it *utility grade*. When I open the door on a very very gusty snow day, the interior gets snowy real quick. I don't worry about stains or spots. The interior wipes down very easily. It is designed to get dirty.

"Emergency handling..." Hard to comment there other than what I said earlier. I was telling a mechanic friend about the Patriot being buffeted by crosswinds on some very icy roads. I had mentioned that I could feel the Jeep swerve ever so slightly. He laughed and said, the Patriot wasn't being buffeted by the wind but that the roads were very icy and the Patriot was going into skids. The skids were many but all were being mitigated by the traction control system. The ESP systems were monitoring and keeping me on course. He's a Volvo mechanic, not Jeep mechanic.

"No reliability info..." I have no leaks as are reported here [touch wood]. I do have the "flappen hood" issue when there is extreme winds. My only current mechanical gripes are that the gas tank is small and I cannot for the life of me top up the air in my tires. I have those pressure sensor valves and all I seem to accomplish is letting more air out than I can get in. I have no squeaks or rattles.

Lastly, as an off-roader vehicle, I have no idea how it will perform. It seems that the naysayers only traverse extreme offroad courses in modified (lifted, crossbarred, flotation-tired) vehicles to which any unmodified Wrangler probably couldn't compete either. They used to pan the Liberty when it first came out too by the way.

That said, make no mistake, the Patriot is NOT as hard and hearty as other Jeeps or SUVs. Don't put a winch on it for example. For the record, I was in a snowstorm last week and some guy in a new Nissan Rogue thought he could keep up with me. I was curious too. He shut the pursuit down real quick when the roads grew more treacherous. But, I am certain I lost out to his Rogue in the snazzy, cushy dash, well-placed cupholder department. What was I thinking?

Keep in mind that ALL SUVs and CUVs handle just like cars on ice - no exceptions. Ever notice when traveling the snowy highways that there is an inordinate number of SUVs in the ditch? It's because these urban warriors think their SUVs are invincible. After all, ice is just really hard snow, right? Wrong!

But don't take my comments as anything gospel. It is just my two cents. Go out there and test drive a Patriot for yourself. I am very happy with mine and I accept what it is and more importantly, what it is not. The Patriot a sport UTILITY vehicle.

Geez, I talk a lot. Sorry.
 
#14 ·
Its a Jeep!!!!

The Patriot was described as "being noisy...road noise is pronounced and engine noise is wearing. The steering lacks feedback with early understeer, sloppy handling, cheap looking and poorly finished plastic interior and poor emergency handling. No info available on reliability.
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sounds about right,
I expect my 4x4 to be noisy.
like feedback in sports cars, not in a 4x4,
never knew a 4x4 that handled great on the road,
for a jeep that starts at $16K, and decently loaded 4x4 for $20K,
rather have the money spent on engine components than on higher quality plastic knobs,

CR like to praise $20K cars that sell for $25K,
and tend to bash $25K cars that sell for $20K,
 
#16 ·
All the cars I have owned have only ever come up as 3 stars (out of 5) in UK reviews, and the Patriot is no different.

Jeep Patriot ***
BMW X3 ***
Kia Sportage ***
Honda CRV ****
Landrover Freelander *****
Peugeot 4007 ***
Citroen C Crosser ***
Nissan X-Trail ****

So in terms of cost The Jeep actually fairs very well. The Landrover, BMW, Nissan, Citroen, Peugeot and Honda are all much much more expensive and not all of them get better reviews.
 
#18 ·
So in terms of cost The Jeep actually fairs very well. The Landrover, BMW, Nissan, Citroen, Peugeot and Honda are all much much more expensive and not all of them get better reviews.
Ash, I think that statement speaks volumes. Many people buy the *brand* rather than the vehicle's capabilities.
 
#19 ·
Maybe Chrysler didn't pay them off like Honda, Toyota and Nissan obviously must.

Go test drive one for yourself. If you like it, buy one.

I's a Jeep. It certainly must be better than the foreign competition.
 
#20 ·
My 2 cents

The reviewer in that article is really trying to find something wrong with the patriot. Some of his points are true but he is arguing in the wrong car segment. The Jeep patriot is a small affordable SUV!!! Is it noisy? Yes. Is the engine a little underpowered coupled with a CVT that sucks any extra power away? Yes. Is it the most capable SUV on the market? No. For the price can you get any better small SUV with all of the fixings? No way! The price point on the patriot is the best selling point ever and no reviewer wants to mention it. There is no competition in this market. Sure it lacks alot of the other things small SUVs have but it costs on average thousands of dollars less.
 
#27 ·
The reviewer in that article is really trying to find something wrong with the patriot. Some of his points are true but he is arguing in the wrong car segment. The Jeep patriot is a small affordable SUV!!! Is it noisy? Yes. Is the engine a little underpowered coupled with a CVT that sucks any extra power away? Yes. Is it the most capable SUV on the market? No. For the price can you get any better small SUV with all of the fixings? No way! The price point on the patriot is the best selling point ever and no reviewer wants to mention it. There is no competition in this market. Sure it lacks alot of the other things small SUVs have but it costs on average thousands of dollars less.
Excellent points! This is exactly what bothers me about reviews. This is an great vehicle for the money.
 
#21 ·
Funny, that's the first review I've seen to pan the Patriot's handling.

Every other review praises the handling and steering, even Car and Driver, who should have an idea what a good handling car feels like. Heck, I know what a good handling car feels like, and the Patriot handles quite well; a dang sight better than any Toyota I have ever driven (those tend to handle like they uses liquid Valium instead of power steering fluid). Emergency handling is likewise good.

Yes, the engine makes weird noises. Yes, the interior plastics are so-so at best. But lousy handling? What are those idiots smoking?

I swear, CR knows less than squat about cars. They even admitted to using the halo effect when rating them (when they said that Toyotas no longer get "automatic buy" rankings).

As far as small SUVs go, the Patriot is just about the Miata of the bunch- it isn't overloaded with power (and is actually underpowered by about 30 horses), but it handles extremely well.
 
#22 ·
The biggest irony is that for me a 4x4 should have light steering, I don't want to have arms like Popeye to drive it. Secondly the interior, I like it. I have an 11 month old daughter who will no doubt get her sticky mitts all over it. It makes it easy to wipe down.

Sometimes I wonder whether the reviewers actually know or have a clue about what a proper SUV should be.

That said I did go for the Limited with the leather interior instead of the YES :)
 
#23 ·
Let me say this about consumer reports. They favor the imports. They rarely give good reviews to domestic models. I read that same review and after I test drove the patriot I bought it. Look at what they compaired it to. Most of the models had V6's exept for the suzuki. They always complain about poor interiors cheap looking plastic yada yada yada. I have had my patriot for 3 days now and every day I drive it I love it more and more. My only complaint about the patriot is all 4x4 models should have 9 inches of ground clearance instead of just the trail rated model. Today I drove home from work in a snow/sleet storm and my patriot handled it better than my 2005 dodge dakota 4x4 that I traded in for the patriot. So the best review you can read is the one you write after the test drive.
 
#24 ·
CR Alternate

Consumer Reports Recommended Alternates

â–Ş 2008 Hyundai Tucson
---Price 17K-$22K,
---140 hp-173hp
â–Ş 2008 Toyota RAV4
Starts at +$21K
166 hp

â–Ş 2008 Honda CR-V
---$20K-$25K
166 hp

None offer 4x4, just AWD
all cost thousands more
all have less HP,
to me there is no comparison
 
#26 ·
I always keep a copy of Consumer Reports in the back of my Jeep just in case I run out of toilet paper while in the woods. It's a bit rough around the edges but it is sure better than tree bark. Come to think about it, tree bark is better reading than Consumer Reports. It's a win-win scenario.
 
#29 ·
I traded in a Wrangler for my Patriot and as most of you know Consumer Report hated the Wrangler and I doubt if any of you former or current Wrangler owners feel that way. I guess what they want is a SUV that rides as smooth as a Buick and probably also handles as well.
 
#31 ·
Consumer Reports auto testers end up sitting alone in the old folks home, complaining about the rocking chairs, bitching about the food, wondering why they could never get a date, and why no one comes to visit them. Bitter people!