My brother has an AWD Honda CR-V...

Even with street tires, he is not able to get it stuck. And he tries...

Honda has a good platform with the CR-V. I wouldn't beat yourself up about that...

 

I"m willing to bet some serious money any 4x4 MK could out do any CRV offroad............yes i'm biased but in reality they wouldn't hold a candle............i'd challenge one any day =)

 

Clearance, tires, and torque(engine power) have always seemed to me to be the most defining factors.

The AWD system is important, but, a 4x2 F-250 with a 4" lift and mud tires would out wheel a Patriot any day....

 

It's called Jeep styling. The Patriot has classic Jeep styling, but the CRV looks just like every other egg shape pucker butt CUV out there.

The CRV has 185 hp and 165-181 tq depending on model year. That is good for mid to high 8 sec 0-60 and mid to high 16s in the 1/4 mile. The fastest Patriot would be at least 1-1.5 seconds slower.

When I buy a vehicle, I consider the total package and that includes styling and overall value. The Patriot retails for around 5K less than the typical CRV so they are not really in the same price class.

If you want to beat people in a street race, the Patriot is probably not the vehicle to do it in. However, Jeep does have a model that would be good for stuff like that called the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT.

Or, if you wanted to be top dog of everything else out there right now, except for a few liter bikes and the occasional but rare Z06 C7 Corvette, there is always the 707 hp Hellcat Challenger/Charger.

 

my civic would definitely beat a patriot in a quarter mile, but my 2wd pat would out perform my civic off-road.

 

Are those the Hondas that catch fire?

Something about the oil filters........

 

CVT or 5-speed? 2.0L or 2.4L?

 

First off, Patriot isn't a drag racer. It's a snow eater and pretty sure if you drag race in snow the Patriot will win. I like punching it in snow next to 4/2 trucks, watching them fishtale while mine stays straight and fast.

 

Ask them to all come follow us up my driveway in winter. Not a speed race.

 

CR-V, for when you need to get the kids to the soccer game quick!

 

I think an FDII would have more jump off the line. At least I never seem to have the issue as other folks have.

 

Sask_Riot and myself have raced from and stop and a roll, I pull away slightly each time, purely due to the gearing differences, this was done prior to his bumper being installed.

 

Knowing the CVT well helps too, when trying to gain speed

 

Tyler, next time my brother is out wheeling, I'm gonna make sure to shoot a quick video of what his CR-V can do.

Can it do better than a FD2 Riot??? I don't know...never had one.

Can it do better than my old 1973 Chevy K10 pickup with a 383 Stroker V8, 10" lift and 38" Super Swamper TSL's used to do??? Definitely not.

But his CR-V is quite capable off-road, and I'll give credit where credit is due.

 

Tyler we'll have to get my boss out sometime when we go wheeling and see what his CRV can do vs our patriots. It is definitely faster on-road but I get the feeling you are right about offroad. I think if you were to put the same tires on it and a patriot it would come down to whose rear diff engages faster and I would bet it's the patriot although to test we'd have to find an icy hill like we were using to compare the BLD's on mine, yours and SaskRiot's.

 

I always welcome the challenge of a one of the soft-roaders =)

If the CRV can do this...........then i'll be impressed

On flat ground with OK tires say in the mud i'd say it could probably keep up, but any kind of articulation and that is where the MK platform (especially FDII's) will pull ahead.

 

I should mention too I don't have a hate on for CRV's, because I actually wheel with one from time to time, guy is running 30x9.5x15 tires on it.

It's a 5 speed. His open diffs really hurt, but the heavy tires really bog him down more so. Its also lifted and with the 30" tires it's pretty tall too.

 

I would also agree that we have more suspension travel, the CRV is a solid vehicle but it's made to be a beast on the road, not necessarily off it.

On a side note, I'd like to see how a Rav-4 stacks up as well. The top end ones are supposed to be super fast 0-60 but it's another SUV designed more for on-road driving. I have never really seen these little guys wheeled off-road until I got the patriot. Haha just wait until we get Baconriot88's offroad Volkswagen done up! If it all works out it'll mop the floor with our patriots offroad.

 

Some years of RAV-4's had the 3.5L V6 and was fast, the newest ones now don't have the 6 options anymore. There was a few years where a mechanical limited slip was offered in the rear diff, i'll have to take a peak on youtube to see how they do offroad, i'm inclined to think better than the CRV but maybe not quite as good as MK's

 

I have a friend that has a '05 Rav4 and that thing feels pretty fast for a 2.4L 5sp. Also, she has wheeled it in some pretty nasty desert terrain like going across a boulder strewn river bottom at 40-50 mph and it just keeps on going.

The kind of abuse she has put that thing through is simply astonishing. The last time I checked, it had over 275K miles on it and it shows no signs of slowing down or giving up. It doesn't burn a drop of oil and it idles smooth as glass. Last of the ones built in Japan I believe.

I hope I experience the same kind of durability with the Patriot, or course, without the high speed blasts through boulder/rocked filled river washes.lol!

 

Got a good story to tell y'all about off-road vs a CR-V when I get home later and have time to post pics...

 

Tyler, love the videos, but your test will have to be over in the same terrain, which I don't have. Down here in southeast Texas, we have a lot of flat land, and "gumbo" mud, which sinks you in and keeps you in unless you know how to wheel with it. Sadly, in a smaller vehicle, I don't know how, but back when I had my old K10 pickup, I used to make a couple hundred bucks on the weekends pulling people out of that same gumbo mud. My brother has managed not to get his CRV stuck. I thought it would've gotten stuck by now, but he keeps pulling through.
I know you're not hating on CRV's; I think we are just having different experiences with them. My brother has a 2013, and their AWD setup is a little different than what I'm used to. If you keep traction control on while you're off-road, the CRV will not kick into AWD until it really needs it, but then when it kicks in, it takes right back off. When the traction control is off, I'm guessing it kicks into AWD a lot faster, and just zips across the mud without effort. My brothers CRV doesn't have a lift on it, or aggressive mud tires, which gives it plenty of power to throw down off-road.
I haven't seen his CRV climb hills, simply because we really don't have any here, and the nearest thing we have is sand dunes on the beach, and with the sand on these beaches, just about anything can get stuck. When we get the time off together, we will take it out and see what we can video.
Am I saying the CRV is fit for Moab? No...
Am I saying it performs better than I thought it would perform? Definitely yes.

The one thing I think I like about the CRV more than the Patriot as far as off-road, is that I never heard or witnessed what seemed to be some kind of rev limiter on the CRV. The one or two times I had my Patriot off-road, when I got into a sticky situation, I gunned it, and I would get some power, then the engine would die down, and then continue as if it were pulsing. The CRV didn't do that, and made it seem like it was just another path...

 

I also did a little bit of reading about the CRV changes in years, and the AWD system on the CRV dramatically improved with the passing years. First, Honda had some kind of electronic locking system which would break often, then later on down the line, it was changed to a sort of clutch disc type differential. I may have it backwards, but this may also be a determining factor into the performance of the CRV's we are thinking about.

 

Pretty sure the CVT has protection software that is a little bit to interfering..

 

I still think it's lack of torque.............didn't see no protection mechanism while doing this.............

I don't doubt there may be some programming involved to make sure it totally doesn't grenade itself, but the bogging issue is still lack of engine power, in my totally unscientific opinion.

 

It would be a pretty neat idea if someone were to, lets say, have that "tuned" out...

 

I'd probably go through another CVT in 40000 miles... :doh:

 

The video is private...

:/

 

Paste it into your browser and delete the [ame] at the end. Seems to work for me with all Tyler's videos that I can't access at first!