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Jeep Patriot Loud Engine Chrysler Response

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#1 ·
From Rick Thornton, Director of Customer Service from Chrysler regarding my request to assist in in stalling some additional sound proofing to copenste for the loud engine noise.

"As we discussed, there are a lot of factors that go into to the decision on how noise is isolated from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. As an example, one challenge engineers face as they attempt maximize fuel economy is ways to reduce the weight of the vehicle. They do this while at the same time offering the customer convenience items like heated seats, remote start, keyless entry, power windows, etc. Add in the mandated safety items like air bags, ABS, electronic stability control, electronic roll mitigation, tire pressure monitoring, etc. and do it all at a MSRP under $24,000 and you get a sense of the challenge they face. Unfortunately what results is decisions get made to compromise in certain areas. That said, it doesn’t mean it can’t be done. As our leadership has changed, decisions on where to compromise are being ‘rethought’ and I am confident our future product will address some of these ‘perceived quality’ issues. In the interior quietness example the 2011 Grand Cherokee at all trim levels, is considerably quieter than its predecessor. Unfortunately, we won’t see significant improvement on the platform the Patriot is based on until 2013 MY when a whole new vehicle is launched. This is because we have to be pragmatic as to where we apply our limited resources and it is far more cost effective to design the improvements into the new vehicle then it is to engineer them into an existing platform. As far has helping with an “aftermarket” solution for your current vehicle I am sorry but we can’t. I am sure you understand the issues we could face if we started participating in solutions that didn’t pass through our engineering due diligence."

In other words, we knew it was a piece of junk but you purchased it as is and you are stuck with it.

Anyone wanting to buy a Jeep Patriot, test drive it cold and take it into a neighborhood with 20-30 mph speed limits. Wear your neck brace.
 
#2 ·
Neck Brace? From what, peeping at the residents as you drive by? What one vehicle are you trying to compare the Patriot with? There are so many vehicles worse than that, and very few that are better at that price range. I was used to driving larger louder vehicles, it feels and sounds more like a car than several other crossovers I've been. Ever drive a Focus? Now that's a loud, ugly, lousy POS. Where's the basis to your complaint? You post a thread about noise but complain about your neck hurting...perhaps you're rubber necking too much.
 
#4 ·
LOL @ deep,
I couldn't get enough so I gave it a CAI and let it roar. All-terrain tires at 60MPH and the stereo drown-out the engine noise, which only kicks up when accelerating anyhow, so I'm never bothered by it.
 
#5 ·
I gotta tell you I found it loud too.

So I took out the plastic cargo panel in the rear and fitted sound dampening fiberglass batts around the spare tire area where practical.
There is also a cardboard support for the cargo panel in the spare tire area, the inside of which is hollow. I filled it with fiber glass insulation too.
As well I used some Styrofoam blocks at the rear of the spare tire space to mitigate noise from the muffler. The blocks are taped to the body of the vehicle.

This has made a huge difference in the amount of noise bouncing around the passenger area.

Also I use a piece of carpet under-padding, silver side up, on top of the cargo panel.
I initially did it to prevent my case of beer empty or full from sliding around but it too has a sound dampening effect.
It's cheap to buy and easy to cut to fit.
It was the first "mod" I did and works like a charm. Also the silver color matches my interior :)
Also under-padding is so cheap that when my cargo pad gets worn or dirty I'll just toss it...errr I mean recycle it.

Right now winter has come so I am waiting till spring when I will remove the the plastic quarter panels in the back and I will sound proof behind them as well.
I am think of using some low expanding foam. I just want to make sure that when I do it, I leave the vehicle in a completely serviceable state which so far I have done.

Throwing a few pillows on the back seat also helps to dampen the sound and the kids always cozy up to them on a drive of any distance.

All of the stuff I used, I had around the house from other projects so it cost nothing. But even if you went out and paid for it it would be a minimal cost.

So don't look at your Jeep as a problem but a solution waiting to be found.
:)
 
#6 ·
and bob's your uncle!

;)

It's a Jeep - don't send nasty emails to execs - you'll just get long winded responses that don't help. Modify it to your own liking! Soundproofing the spare tire well is a great start!
 
#16 ·
Is that where a lot of sound comes in? I don't find the pat noisy at all... I used to drive a V8 truck-based SUV with a performance muffler and an exhaust cutout to bypass the muffler altogether when I wanted... but I do find I hear a lot more noise translating through the hitch from my seadoo trailer. I assumed this was due to the hitch being directly connected to the body since it is not a body on frame design like my old rig. Soundproofing the spare tire well might help though, thanks!
 
#7 ·
I agree it is loud. Louder than other 4 cylinder vehicles I have had.

but, I will take that loud sound over a better, more suited tire for a "trail rated" vehicle. sure i can change stock tire size, but it affects traction control, abs, warranted parts, etc.

- Dan M
 
#8 ·
Strange !! I had a diesel Pat & never found it noisy . In fact when my Mrs Yelled " Watch that car-are you blind??" I could hear her quite clearly!!
 
#9 ·
Exactly Heckler!

You're right Heckler. Does no good to try to get the execs to fix the problems because they know of them already. All I received is long verbose e-mails. I am going to fix it myself. I am a farmer and I can fix most anything.

Funny, everyone compares the Patriot to what Antdragon refers to POS. I guess you can't compare it to the Subaru Forester, the Ford Escape, Hyundai SantaFe or RAV 4.

This is my first Jeep product. I guess I am used to driving quality vehicles. Like Fords and Subaru. My mistake buying a Jeep. I went cheap and got what I paid for. All I asked Chrysler for was if they could add some noise insulation to my vehicle because it sounds like it has a lawn tractor under the hood when it is cold and when the CVT changes ratios. My EZ-GO utility cart which has a CVT runs smoother.

I hope this vehicle holds up. To raise my confidence can I hear from a Jeep Patriot owner with more than 100,000 trouble free miles because I don't read many posts on this forum from them.

Will let everyone know how my sound proofing efforts work. Ordered some Dynamat and undercoat.
 
#11 ·
I go 70+ in old WV on the interstate and my engine rarely revs that high. The noise has gone down with new tires that aren't SRA. Plus, my engine noise has decreased a little as well. That dude from Consumer Report has no clue how to drive a CVT trans or the Patriot at that matter. Or.... I guess the noise just doesn't bother me, it’s a Jeep.
 
#14 ·
You think you'd test drive

I understand Kangrape's criticism about noise but it really begs the question...when you dro p5 figures on a purchase wouldn't you do research first? Like a test drive or something? Wouldn't it have been better to watch the CR review video you linked to BEFORE buying one?

I've never purchased a vehicle without taking it on a drive to at LEAST 80 km/h (50mph) to get an idea of acceleration,noise and handling. Furthermore the Patriot and other Chrysler products have been noted in reviews for being noisy, so I kind of don't see your problem here--you had opportunity to experience noise levels before purchase. I'd say letter writing being a pointless waste of time would've been a given, and that you've found the solution--padding, spray-foam and whatever.

The noise level of a vehicle (vs. specific noises like knocking, squeaking, etc) generally are not considered defects by any manufacturer, so I'm not sure why you'd expect them to do for pre-existing vehicles. Chrysler certainly knows their cars were noisy, and now that they operate under a new company with new management they can actually do something about it, and it seems they have done something with the new Patriots.

I turned in my leased '07 Caliber and purchased a new 2011 Patriot to replace it. My new Patriot is significantly quieter than my old Caliber--perhaps not apples-to-apples but they are the same platform and similar drivetrains. Noise levels are about the same as the in-laws' 2010 Ford Escape. Not quite as quick off the line but it gets almost 20 percent better fuel economy and the Patriots 4x4 is quite a bit better in deep snow so I accept the tradeoff. The interior tweaks in the past couple model years seem to have made a difference. The floor panel in the back is not just a slab of plastic anymore--it is now lined top and bottom. The door panels and armrests are better padded now, and I suspect they are better lined on the inside as well.

I guess Chrysler doesn't have the mojo a company like Apple has. The latter is notorious for selling very pretty products with fundamental shortcomings but they can do no wrong. Soldered in battery that dies too quick? Mr Jobs says suck it up so they all do with USB battery packs and cases with built in batteries and so on. No front camera on iPad? Not a flaw or shortcoming it's Job's genious you fool! Go buy a 3rd party camera!

When you own a Jeep you have to take the same mindset as Apple customers do...you suck it up and find your own solution to shortcomings and revel in the products' strengths. Go get some foam and batting and stuff and keep us posted on your results!
 
#15 ·
Consumer Reports does evaluations for "Middle America".
That's not a bad thing.
But it's not for a general SUV/Jeep Buyer.
Patty's are a little rough around the edges, but as an entry-level product, they represent good value for the money and adequate performance /reliability if you know and respect its' limitations.

"You get what you pay for".

Pay a little more, get a little better product.

As far as noise goes, depends how fast you're driving and how hard you push it. Foam insulation. styrofoam blocks, extra carpet padding all help.

Don't ever forget: The Best Jeeps are not bought at the stores, but built-up by their owners.
 
#17 ·
Sound Proofing Effect

Well, I put a bunch of soundproofing in today. I really didn't find much there. Absolutely nothing under the carpet and very little in the engine compartment. Put some insulation around the spare tire. That helped a lot since it was bare metal. Put mat under the front carpet and fiberglass in the big spaces under the dash. Left enough room for good air movement. folded some waterproof sound barrier and put it in the front fender spaces. I think I will eventually spray undercoat cushion in there. Put aluminum faced insulation on the firewall and a thicker underhood blanket.

All in all, it makes a big difference for about $100 in materials and half a day labor. Road noise was really reduced a lot. Would have been shorter time but lifting the carpet is a pain.

Note: I found virtually no sound barrier anywhere inside the vehicle. No spray foam, no barrier under the carpet, nothing behind the rear panels, no foam inside the dash. No wonder it was so noisy.

Will keep working on it.
 
#18 ·
"Found Virtually No Sound Barrier Anywhere"

Too bad, it would have added what, about $10 to their build costs?
Typical "bottom line" piss-poor decision making.
No wonder they filed for Bankruptcy.
Hopefully the new Fiat Management is smarter when it comes to delivering better value and quality for the $$$$.
 
#19 ·
This post confuses me. #1 it is a Jeep not a Buick. I traded in a Buick Roadmaster when i got my Patriot and if I compare the two which one do you think is going to win for Smooth and Quiet ride But it did not grab the road well in the rain and I could Never drive it in the winter in Michigan. I have driven alot of rear wheel drive vehicles but this was by far the worst in the snow. #2 I noticed someone posting also owns a Jeep Liberty along with a Patriot I also own a 2008 Liberty and a 2010 Patriot. It has been stated by everyone that has either driven or been in both vehicles with me that the Patriot is quieter then the Liberty and handles better then the Liberty. Guess what, the Liberty also cost us more and it has alot less stuff in it. I also prefer the mileage in the Patriot, so I guess it all depends on what you want in a vehicle.
I have also owned 3 Cherokees I loved the vehicles and the ride but They were also noisier then the Patriot.
 
#20 ·
If you think that the patriot is loud...go back to your accord. you obviously don't belong in a jeep. The Patriot is the quietest vehicle I own. I usually take mufflers off and replace them with glass packs and make the exhaust as straight as possible to decrease back pressure in the exhaust. Engine noise is manly and quiet cars are made for women or sissy boys. (insert Tim Allen grunt here).

Lets see who this pisses off. If you don't know by now, sometimes I just say things to see what reaction I get. hahahahaha
 
#22 ·
Engine noise is manly and quiet cars are made for women or sissy boys. (insert Tim Allen grunt here).
hahaha There's so many times when I would use the Tim Allen grunt if only I could replicate it decently.
 
#21 ·
I don't really know what to say other then I'm kind of shocked at this sort of complaint after purchase. Did you not read any reviews? No test drive?
Expecting Chrysler to help you "sound proof" the vehicle and being dissapointed in their response is one of the most rediculous and funniest things I have read on here.
Literally every online review of the vehicle mentions how loud the engine is in the CVT model. I don't understand how you could miss that PRIOR TO PURCHASING the vehicle. Even a test drive where you would perhaps give it a little gas to check the acceleration and watch the RPM's hit 5000 might give it away that it would be a little bit of a noisy ride.
I have the 5 speed, but my wife has the CVT version, and even between the 2 of them it's like night and day. The 5 speed is considerably quieter, the CVT adds a lot of noise.
I do have a solution for you though.....turn up the radio, problem solved!
Patriot Forum is probably not the best place to come and share your buyers remorse....maybe a phone call to your mommy would be more soothing.
 
#25 ·
Patriot Forum is probably not the best place to come and share your buyers remorse....maybe a phone call to your mommy would be more soothing.
As the FNG, I would have to respectfully disagree. I think it is important to hear the good and the bad about the Patriot. Whining and nitpicking is probably not productive, but I am interested in hearing about buyer's remorse. I feel we can figure out what is a legitimate or illegitimate complaint.

If all that is posted are positive remarks, this site devolves into a "fanboy" site and that serves noone's best interest.
 
#23 ·
I thought the answer from Chysler was quite reasonible. You did notice it came from the director of Customer Service and not from the Engineering Dept. As a former mgr of Engineering in a different sector, if you didn't like the customer service answer you certainly wouldn't have like the answer from the engineering dept. The fact that you thought they should use your vehicle as a guinea pig to test out various noise abatement trials is rather presumptuous. I'm sure your vehicle isn't any louder today that when you test drove it and bought it. Unless you had one of those high pressure salesman that put ear muffs on you before letting you drive it. As others have stated a Jeep is a Jeep and they are a lot quiter than they used to be. Most of us who buy them, buy them for utility not creature comfort.
 
#24 ·
A number of automotive review sites had this to say; "The 2011 Jeep Patriot’s interior has been upgraded for 2011 and will feature additional sound insulation." If someone upgraded to a 2011 from a previous model they might be able to locate the new insulation and see if it could be retrofited. Or if someone has a 2009/2010 and a 2011 parts catelog they might be able to compare and get part numbers.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Ever been in an older Isuzu Trooper? No? Loud. Slow. Every seat is uncomfortable. Loud. Handles like a bath tub on broken shopping cart wheels, had mechanical problems... But it sold because people wanted a sizable inexpensive vehicle with 4-wheel drive. They improved a little with each following generation, and it became an overpirced "luxury" SUV that eventually fell behind in the market after straying from it's original intents and purpose. Patriot is still a baby... but was already planned to be replaced even though it could easily be improved since it's not to bad to begin with. That could be worth complaining about, forced to accept something different from something we anted and liked. Go to competitors that did not have what we wanted AND needed. Or do we give up and get something based only on price?

Kangrape,
Their response does suck, but they did respond. Also I've learned we can pay premium prices for the "best" product and still find faults and uncaring company representatives. Why would a handgun, for instance, that costs $200 more than other companies's similar model, still have cheap hand grips meet at the rear of the grip and pinches and cuts the palm of your hand while you fire? I could lite the place up or buy cheap yet superb "aftermarket" rubber grips.

Was your first Jeep your first vehicle purchase?
Were you buying something based on price without researching or trying it out first? Always take a test drive on a highway when possible.
Would you fault any SUV for not keeping up with 2-door sports cars?
Why did you choose the Patriot (what are you using it for)? The vehicle may not have been designed specifically for you.

Sounds like you expected a $30K vehicle for $20K. I still own my 2008 Patriot which I have almost 31,000 miles on as of this morning when I parked it at my government agency's garage. I do admit, the '05 Dakota QuadCab 4x4 with a V-6 was a bit quieter, but 4600lbs and $28K and gave me 18MPG at most. All you had to do was click on my profile name to see that I'm not a Chrysler hire driving a Subaru (I know one who whines about his Subie). Who said it's the quietest, smoothest SUV...nobody. now I'm sounding like a Fanboy, Chysler was the last make I wanted to consider, but for a while have offered exactly what I was looking for at the right price.
The point I was trying to make was that you concluded by whining about neck braces when your thread is about noise which you didn't give any hint as to what you were basing your complaints on. You would't have been so welcoming if anyone went on to a Ford forum saying "Mustangs have terrible handling" (for a 2-door) and say they drove a better car at some point in their life (haven't we all had better- or at least in our memories), then randomly bring up knee pads with no explanation. Now you have learned EVERY choice requires compromise- many of us will put up with a few more decibels in noise to have a safe, fun, affordable vehicle.

Escape is more of a mid to full-size SUV (which certainly has its share of issues), not a cross-over or compact SUV like Rav4, Patriot, Sportage, or CRV. Although I do wish I could have a V-6 in the Patriot like the Rav4 offers, than I could race it against those buzzfarting Civics with coffee can muffler mods! :p The CVT's do shift power weirdly compared to 4-speed auto's and sticks but it gets us through at an adequate pace none the less and is a blessing to have in high traffic areas. It 'drones' under heavy acceleration or going up steep hills because it's keeping the engine within certain power ranges based on your demand, where other transmissions make sudden jumps and drastic changes in tone. Why not compare a Patriot with a dump-truck for hauling capacity while you're at it and complain to makers the compact Patriot is unable to handle 30,000 pounds of debris? You'll get more than a wordy response. 100k miles on a 3 year old vehicle? Few people drive like that, that is rough driving, but you'll find several on here with close to that, and they weren't babying their Jeeps either.

It is a shame the customer service hardly ever serves customers in every way that every customer wants. And i hate how they do cheap-out on little details that cost only $100 /vehicle yet make big differences, but that's how businesses work. If someone were to install sound-deadening materials on our vehicles, a car dealership would be the last place to look because we should know, if they did, they'd overcharge.

Bob gave some good advice. Glad it worked out. That's another project I'd like to try. You could have rubberized coating sprayed on the under body (helps protect against rust too), maybe get quieter tires... And stop trying to race V-6s/V-8s with an I-4 crazies (that might include myself)! ;-P

If the ride is hurting your neck, try some aftermarket springs. Sure it brings your overall cost up a bit, but you can bring it up to or past the level of competitors while still paying less. Or complain to the authorities to fix the roads and speed bumps.

(PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THIS MEGA-LONG RANT)
 
#30 ·
I have changed from driving Vovo cars for almost 30 yrs, into a Jeep Patriot limited 2009 sinds 5 months now , with the 2.4 ltr engine and 5 shift gearbox.
The comparisson with my latest Volvo 940 estate was satisfactory , except the noise from the tires. After some investigation and thinking , I decided to improve the insulation on the backside first, with anti-vibration pads on the bottom an around the spare wheel and also over the steel to the backseats. In addititon to use undercarpet on top of it and also at the underside of the PVC coverpanel. On top of this coverpanel , I purchased a soft plastic protection cover , especialy made for the Patriot so all together it sounds now more acceptable then before. But still I'm not finished with it. Also the sidecovers on the backcompartment need to be filled with something , and also the so called firepanel between the motorcompartment and dashboard require to better insulated, because what is installed is insufficient. I thing to stick selfadhesive anti-vibration pads with silverfoly on top and undercarped in addition.
Finally , they could have avoided al the excessive noises by the Patriots , when they have
checked out what Volvo have done before already.

Regards Quality Engineer
Dirk van der Veer
The Netherland / Europe
 
#31 ·
Again, if you want something quiet, get a Buick. These are Jeeps, only maybe the Grand Cherokee is supposed to be comfy and quiet, and that's because it's $60k these days. For noise control on the Patriot, I recommend help from K&N and Magnaflow. They can help make it louder and deeper for ya.