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#1 ·
Has anyone heard the news-----------

NEW YORK/DETROIT (Reuters) – Korea's Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS) has had talks with Chrysler LLC owner Cebererus Capital Managment about a potential acquisition of the struggling U.S. automaker's Jeep brand and possibly other assets, people with knowledge of the talks said on Fridays

Just what we need now
 
#2 ·
Ugh if Hyundai buys Jeep they can kiss any future business from me goodbye. Jeep is and should remain an American company. If I wanted a foreign 4wd I'd go buy a FJ Cruiser or Xterra.
 
#23 · (Edited)
Being that the US and Korea are both foreign countries to me, that makes no difference. I'd like to see Jeep survive regardless for purely selfish reasons (my warranty). But then, I think it would be a very good thing for Jeep to get separated from the sinking Titanic that is Chrysler (GM and Ford).
 
#31 ·
While I agree with you, nothing on this planet will ever convince me to buy a Hyundai. And there's not many other builders on the face of the planet that could be a bigger slap in the face to Jeep, than the worst built car in the world.
 
#5 ·
Toyota's, honda's, subaru's just to name a few are built here in america by americans. I still though would not buy a toyota, subaru, or honda. If someone like nissan would buy jeep that would not bother me too much. I like the Nissan frontier truck and was seriously going to buy one before I found the patriot. Nissan has good experience with offroad stuff so maybe they can make a more offroad worthy patriot.
 
#6 ·
Lets all just give our head a shake here. I understand the need and the want to support the American made product. I think it is great to back what is in your own back yard. But lets face it, exactly what ImNoPrince has said, things are so blurred right now its not funny. Half of the parts in our Jeep's these days come form China,Japan,Europe, Mexico etc... The only thing which is actully really made in America is, well the chassis and body (so to speak). As long as the quality and the workmanship stays true to Jeep, I don't really care who builds them. Anywaay that is my 2 cents worth.
 
#8 ·
There's precious little difference anymore between "domestic" and "foreign" nameplates. With "foreign" cars being up to 90% US production (along with final assembly) and "domestic" cars being mostly made in Mexico, the question is fully blurred. Any talk of "profits" on foreign produced "domestic" cars only applies when they are actually being made- not the case at the moment, I am afraid.

Remember- up until Cerberus bought Chrysler, our Jeeps WERE made by a "foreign" company. DaimlerChrysler was mostly a German-owned corporation.

I can see far worse things than Hyundai buying Jeep. Namely, the entire Chrysler company going under and having somebody buy ONLY the Jeep name- not the design or production plants.
 
#9 ·
I hate it when someone posts about a story only to make ME go look for it.....so here it is:

Hyundai, Chrysler in talks as GM pulls out-sources


By Jui Chakravorty Das and Kevin Krolicki Jui Chakravorty Das And Kevin Krolicki – 2 hrs 15 mins ago

NEW YORK/DETROIT (Reuters) – South Korea's Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS) has had talks with Chrysler LLC owner Cerberus Capital Management about a potential acquisition of the U.S. automaker's Jeep brand and possibly other assets, people with knowledge of the talks said on Friday.

The emergence of Korea's largest automaker as a potential bidder for at least part of Chrysler comes on the same day General Motors Corp (GM.N) said it shelved its own pursuit of an acquisition of its cross-town rival.

Cerberus also plans to restart talks with other potential partners for Chrysler, including Renault-Nissan, the sources said.

Hyundai has expressed interest in Chrysler's Jeep brand, but Cerberus would prefer to sell all of Chrysler rather than split off assets through a series of deals that would break up the company, the sources said.

Cerberus, Chrysler and Hyundai declined to comment.

Jeep is considered Chrysler's most valuable asset. Although Chrysler has been readying a step that would allow it to sell off Jeep and its supporting parts business readily, any move to dispose of the brand would signal the end of Chrysler as a stand-alone automaker, sources said.

The talks over the future of Chrysler are playing out just as the U.S. auto industry makes its case to U.S. lawmakers for a rescue package for GM, Ford Motor Co (F.N) and Chrysler at a time when all three are burning cash faster than ever.

GM, which had been seen as the leading candidate to buy Chrysler, said on Friday that it set aside its pursuit of the acquisition in order to focus on preserving cash.

Bush administration officials last week rebuffed a request for some $10 billion for GM to fund its proposed merger with Chrysler in part, out of concern for the tens of thousands of jobs that would be lost as a result, sources have said.

One advantage of a Hyundai bid is that the Korean automaker would likely opt to preserve more of Chrysler's U.S. operations, and hence keep more jobs, the sources said.

That aspect of the deal could be important because Democratic lawmakers who extended their majority in Congress in Tuesday's election have made it clear that any federal rescue package would be aimed at preserving U.S. manufacturing jobs.

The auto industry and its political allies, including the United Auto Workers union, are pressing for the current Congress to take up a proposal for another $50 billion low-cost loans for the cash-strapped sector later this month.

SAND "ALMOST' THROUGH THE HOURGLASS

Another source of pressure comes from Chrysler's dwindling cash, people with knowledge of the situation have said.

Without new funding, Chrysler executives have raised concern about the automaker's ability to finance its operations beyond the first half of 2009, according to the sources.

"Things are going to happen pretty fast now because the sand is almost through the hourglass," said one person familiar with the talks.

U.S. sales of Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge brands were down almost 26 percent this year through October, and Chrysler's market share has slipped to just 11 percent in October, putting it in an almost dead-heat with Honda Motor Co (7267.T) for the No. 4 spot in the U.S. market.

In a breakup of Chrysler, Nissan-Renault might consider buying the automaker's Ram pickup truck production while Germany's Volkswagen (VOWG.DE) is seen as a possible buyer for Chrysler's minivan line, people close to the talks said.

Hyundai, which has 3 percent of the U.S. market, has aspirations to be a full-line auto manufacturer. Based on low pricing and an attention-grabbing 10-year warranty, Hyundai saw sharp growth in U.S. sales earlier this decade.

More recently, it has battled to change the public perception of its brand. Hyundai launched its first luxury model this year and has considered the idea of establishing its own luxury line, like Toyota Motor Corp's (7203.T) Lexus.

But a recent round of talks between Hyundai and Ford Motor Co (F.N) over a deal to sell Ford's Volvo brand to the Korean automaker sputtered out in a dispute over the value of the brand, sources have said.

Hyundai also had a rocky relationship with DaimlerChrysler before Germany's Daimler AG (DAIGn.DE) sold Chrysler to Cerberus in 2007. In 2004, DaimlerChrysler announced it was selling its 10.5 percent stake in Hyundai.

Hyundai has its U.S. headquarters outside Los Angeles, a new $1.1-billion plant in Alabama, and an engineering center near Detroit. Its affiliate Kia Motors Corp (000270.KS) is building a plant in Alabama set to open in 2009.

Hyundai ended the third quarter with 4.5 trillion won, equivalent to about $3.5 billion at the current exchange rate.



At least if Hyundai gets involved, it sounds as if more people will keep their jobs, which can't be a bad thing. :(
 
#10 ·
Ford, GMC and Chrysler have all owned or been in partnerships with foreign auto manufacturors, why would this be any different. If you think Hyundai is a low end car maker go take a Santa Fe, Elantra or Sonata for a test drive. Hell, I own a Harley that was built in 1988 with a Japanese carburetor and electronics. The days of a purely American, German or Japanese car or truck have been gone for a long time!
 
#12 ·
Hyundai is a juggernaut. Cars are just a side business for them.
Their main business is ship building, containers, and the use of both.

It would be difficult for the car side to go under with the backing of the entire company.

We mispronounce it here in the states.

It does not rhyme with Sunday, it is more like Hugh-un-d-eye.
 
#13 ·
Not just ship building but all kinds of heavy equipment and machinery. Back in 2001 I took a look at the XG350 (I think) at a car show and thought that Hyundai was going to take off in the car market. I also drove one of their Accents this summer, a "tin can" that a guy who works for me bought. The quality of the ride, interior and fit and finish was as good as any Honda I have ridden in.

This might be a good fit for Hyundai and Jeep. Their cars are great, the Santa Fe is pretty decent and the Tucson, ehhhh, not so much. Jeep could teach them a thing or two about trucks and SUVs, and maybe get access to the really good CRD that they sell overseas.
 
#14 ·
I really like what Hyndais has done in recent years, came damned close to buying an 06 Sonata. Of course if they did it i would LOVE to see them buy the whole shibang. They're V6 engines are far better than what Chrysler has (the 290-300 HP version in the Genesis backed by their 6 speed auto would certainly make a nice engine for the LX cars and 3.3 242 HP V6 and 265 HP versions of the 3.8 in the Azera would help give Didge a competitive family sedan, ESPECIALLY if the used a Sonata platform for the replacement for the Avenger). There is a brightside to this idea where as there none with the GM merger........
 
#16 ·
It would only be invalid if Chrysler declares bankruptcy before the sale, which I don't think is any immediate concern. Now GM, that's another story. Admittedly, I have been concerned about the health of Chrysler before I bought my Patriot but I'd be a heck of alot more worried right now if I'd bought a GM at the rate their bleeding.
 
#18 ·
Anyone have an original Santa Fe that still works? We'd like to hear from you about what you think about the quality of your SUV.
Seriously, did it hold up well? I just don't see that original style on the road any longer. Do they burn out like the Accents did?
I had driven a Hyundai rental car a few years back, the quality and ride were not bad at all compared to Chrysler's cars at the time. The Santas did not WOW me however.

Yeah, 70% domestic parts on ours.
 
#32 ·
We traded in an 04 Santy(LX) for the Riot...it held up well with NO rust, other than the running boards we put on! We may have gone back to the Hyundai if not for the redesign and the substantial increase in price!!! We owed 3k on it and the Jeep dealer gave us 9k plus the 2k cash back so we made out. They hold their value and it was a VERY peppy SUV (6 cyl) not the greatest on fuel being all wheel drive! Plus in Northern NY there are no dealers so we had to travel 2 hrs. for service! We see tons of 03's and 4's around here now.
 
#19 ·
SNO KAT,

I don't have an original Santa Fe but I know two people who do, along with two Tucson owners. All of them are running well and not rusting out on Michigan roads. I considered buying a new or used Santa Fe but I am going to be stationed in northern CA and the closest Hyundai dealer is about 3 hours away.
 
#20 ·
By the way, the Chevrolet I had was manufactured in Korea, just to throw that out there.

I wouldn't mind it at all if Hyundai bought out Chrysler, or even most of it including the Jeep. They have a lot of great cars, and they are backed by a massive corporation.
 
#21 ·
Well, if most of Chrysler survived, I guess it wouldn't be that bad. But personally, I hate their cars. I had a 2007 Sonota rental car once, and it just about killed me. I couldn't sleep at night, because of how uncomfortable the seat was. And i dont remember it wowing me with its quality. In fact, it seemed cheap
 
#22 ·
Well the engines used in the Compass, Patriot, and Caliber - the World Engines - were designed and are used jointly by Chrysler, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi. So they have something in common already. I don't want to see Chrysler sold to anybody, but I sure don't think selling to GM would be a good thing. From what I have read Chrysler has considerably more cash on hand than GM and that's what GM mainly wants out of the deal. At least with Hyundai there would be less model overlap and it would be more likely that more of Chrysler's and especially Jeep's models would survive a merger.
 
#24 ·
If any foreign company is going to build Jeeps It should be Mitsubishi. They have been building Jeeps using retired Willys dies for countless years. I've heard Jeepster Commandos were made in Spain in the late 70's. Wagoneers in Mexico and Jeepsters in Brazil.

Here is a link to some Mitsubishi Jeeps. One actually uses the rare commercial/custom 4 door Willys body. The only known US made one was owned by the Northern Pacific railroad as a hi-rail crew truck.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...mitsubishi+Jeep&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N
 
#42 ·
My opinion: I want Jeep and Chrysler to remain American. I like American cars and that's one of the reasons why I like so much my Patriot and why you see so few of them here where I live. If I wanted a common car I would've bought a Renault, Volkswagen, Fiat or Hyundai.

I've heard Jeepster Commandos were made in Spain in the late 70's.
That is true, mr. POTM. Here's a link with pictures.
 
#25 ·
Hyundai Motor Company, South Korea’s largest automaker, denies media reports that it is in talks with Cerberus Capital Management about purchasing Chrysler’s Jeep Division. “We have no interest whatsoever in acquiring Chrysler, including Jeep and have not engaged in any discussions with Cerberus on this matter,” Jake Jang, a Hyundai spokesman, told Reuters. “
 
#26 ·
That's like asking your kid who has an orange face and hands if he's been eating Cheetos.

btw, that is one longass bumper number on your HMMWV.
 
#28 ·
I just cannot see Jeep disappearing into the sunset. The Patriot 2.4 engine is called "The World Engine" and has major parts that can be found worldwide. The engine is Japanese as is the CVT transmission, which is also used in the Toyota Prius. Things are understandably scary today, and I am worried about the future of my local Chrysler/Jeep dealer.

I do have to say that I have one HELL of a great cow pony and trail buddy in the Patriot. I really don't care what happens, I will hang onto mine for as long as I can get parts for it. Damn the lifetime warranty, full speed ahead!:banana: