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Gear Ratios (Transmission Vs. Axle)

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#1 ·
My previous vehicle had a 6 speed manual transmission and my Patriot has a 5 speed manual. I always thought the Patriot's RPM were really high while driving at highway speeds and assumed this was because I had one less gear, until I compared gear ratios between the two vehicles:

2007 Pontiac G6 Coupe (3.9L 6MT)
First (3.769)
Second (2.040)
Third (1.365)
Fourth (1.048)
Fifth (0.846)
Sixth (0.707)

2012 Jeep Patriot (2.4L 5MT)
First (3.77)
Second (2.16)
Third (1.41)
Fourth (1.026)
Fifth (0.72)

The difference between the two highest gears is less than 2%... but then I compared axel ratios:

2007 Pontiac G6 Coupe (3.55)
2012 Jeep Patriot (4.12)

That's a 14% difference, and what I believe to be the reason for the RPM difference I am seeing on the highway? Does this make sense?
 
#3 ·
Yup, that's pretty much the reason for the RPM difference. Why they did it is because it's an I4 engine and not a V6 like your old Pontiac. Needs the higher gearing for better acceleration. Going up in tire size will help the high RPMs on the highway as well as highway fuel economy, however city driving performance will suffer somewhat.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Tire size won't help all that much. A 5% larger tire will only drop the RPM by the same amount. Fuel economy won't increase by that number though.

4.12 is a huge (numerically) final gear.

My old Suburban only had 3.42 and would spin at 2k at 60mph

My old 1971 Riviera has 2.93's and a three speed. I rarely see over 1,800 @60mph

I had a 1995 Riviera for awhile too. @60 mph it would only be spinning 1,500

Getting used to a I4 on the highway is hard. At the same time though it's happier at 3,500 than my other rides.
 
#6 · (Edited)
You're putting up V8 and V6 examples against an I4. Those bigger engines put out a lot more torque at lower RPMs then our 2.4L (165 ft. lbs @5,200 rpm). My Wife's 2004 GMC Sonoma also has 3.42:1 gearing, but has a 4.3L V6 (245 lb·ft (332 N·m) at 2,800 rpm).

Typical 350ci Chevy\Buick V8 = 260 lb-ft of torque @ 2800 rpm
1995 3.8L V6 = 230 lb·ft (312 N·m) @ 2000-2500 rpm

So when your max torque band is low in the RPM range, you can gear down knowing the engine has the grunt to overcome moving the vehicle. When the max torque band is higher in the RPM range, you have to raise the gearing or risk bogging the engine down.

Almost all I4 vehicles cruise around the 3000 rpm mark (+/- on either side)

Oh and as an aside, the FDII model uses 6:12:1 differential gearing. This is how it gains it's 19:1 crawl ratio when put in Low Off Road mode (Which is just locking the CVT in 1st gear). FDI models, when also put in 1st gear have a 14:1 crawl ratio.
 
#5 ·
I'm running a 28.5" tire now, and I was getting over 26 miles per (U.S.) gallon over the summer. Had been at about 24 in previous years, so it was a noticeable increase in economy.
 
#19 ·
At 65 in my 5-speed FD1 it's turning about 2450 rpms or so in 5th gear. Maybe a bit less. If I wasn't lazy I could add that display to my Ultra-Gauge and be more precise, but....