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Fog light LED heat question

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#1 ·
Both of my fog lights have burned out and I'd like to get a little brighter without changing sockets and just using the best bulb I can simply plug in.
I've read that going past 25w might melt the lense but would that apply to LED's which don't generate the same heat?
I'm looking at these 60W LED's on ebay that rate at 1300 lumen.
Any advice is appreciated.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261541819397?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Specification:

Color: White
LED Type: 12 CREE XB-D LED High Power
Power: 60W
Actual Lumen: 1300 Lumen
Housing Material: Aluminum Alloy
Lens: Virtually Unbreakable PMMA Lens
 
#2 ·
I have the Diode Dynamics XML2's installed in my Jeep and they don't get very hot at all. Very powerful and somewhat pricey but I think they are totally worth it.

1400 lumens, but costs over $100 for a pair.

I had a bad experience with Ebay PSX24W bulbs. The ones I tried first didn't fit at all. Be sure it's not a H16 bulb at all. (very similar but different connection)
 
#3 ·
The thing with LED's is that some of the create lots of heat BUT that heat isn't radiated out like a halogen bulb it's usually confined to the actual bulbs themselves, which is why lots of the good bulbs are built with metal heatsinks/fins integrated into the designs.

The 25W LED headlamp bulbs I run, get hot at the back of the bulb and no where else, zero issues of melting anything.

I have some 50W H11 LED bulbs and while the light output is crap (first attempt at buying led's for headlamps well over a year ago) the bulbs did heat up but once again no melting effects at all.
 
#5 ·
Correct, H16 will not work in our Fog Lights. :(
 
#6 ·
Also LED's will never generate the heat to melt the housing.
 
#8 ·
Thanks for the link.
I think these are headlights though aren't they? I did find a 2000 lm bulb but it was $65 each which is honestly more then I want to pay.
The ones I posted the link to are 1300lm which should be almost 3 times the brightness of our factory fog light bulbs. At $35 for the pair that seemed reasonable enough. I'd like to go a little brighter but I'm not willing to spend $100 to do it.
 
#9 ·
Yes the link that North12 posted isn't cheap, however you will get what you pay for when it comes to LED bulbs, my kits (don't have the integrated ballasts) however they are very bright and function very well as headlamps.

[ame]http://www.amazon.ca/Headlight-Foglight-Light-White-Truck/dp/B00LUSAE2K[/ame]

The link above is the example of the bulbs to avoid. I still have my H11 and 9005 bulbs in this style and while they looked cool and bright in my housing, they were trash for usable light output.
 
#10 ·
Yes the link that North12 posted isn't cheap, however you will get what you pay for when it comes to LED bulbs, my kits (don't have the integrated ballasts) however they are very bright and function very well as headlamps.

http://www.amazon.ca/Headlight-Foglight-Light-White-Truck/dp/B00LUSAE2K

The link above is the example of the bulbs to avoid. I still have my H11 and 9005 bulbs in this style and while they looked cool and bright in my housing, they were trash for usable light output.
Those are headlights not fog lights though. Do you have a link or could you tell me where you bought your foglights so I can compare?
I guess what I'm looking at is getting a better bulb then the factory 500lm bulb but still getting the bang for my buck. I appreciate the input from everyone by the way.
 
#12 ·
This has taken a while as something came up that sidetracked me from addressing the fog lights. Anyway I really appreciate the input on this. You've convinced me that I need a light with the integrated ballest however I can't get a response from the seller in the link that you posted North12. I don't think those bulbs would fit my psx2504 connector.
I did find these bulbs http://www.ebay.com/itm/121392491207 The price is similar and they are described as integrated bulbs with a similar sized base which I think must house the ballest. Do you think these would be a good choice if I want to keep it simple?
Thanks: Charlie
 
#13 ·
Just buy a set of $25 HIDs as I did and call it a day, 5000k.
 
#15 ·
My cheap HID foglights are alone brighter than most vehicles low beam headlights. No idea why you guys are still farting around with these expensive LED bulbs.
 
#17 ·
I ordered these a few days ago. Glad to hear that it sounds like a good choice. The seller that as the 3000 lumen bulbs still hasn't gotten back with me but it doesn't look like those are offered in my socket type.

Croat: Could you show an example of what you're talking about? Did you change your lenses and bulbs? I haven't seen any options for a brighter bulb in the price range you refer to that would work without modifications?
 
#18 ·
Used the OEM lens and a standard set of HID's. The HID bulbs are longer than OEM but they fit fine .... no LED would come close to its brightness.
 

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#21 ·
Just to follow up on the new bulbs. They arrived yesterday and I put them in today. I took the Jeep out for a short run tonight with light snowfall and the new bulbs make a huge difference, they're much brighter then my stock headlight bulbs. When the time comes for headlight bulbs I'll be going with the 3000 lumen LED's.
The price really isn't that bad at $62 for 2 bulbs when you consider that the OEM bulbs are $40 each. I have a tough drive over a mountain pass twice per day and have been having some difficulty with night vision. These should help quite a bit.

Croat it looks like your HID option may be a good deal as well if you don't mind a little work. My only concern would be heat damage to the lens but I guess you're not having an issue with that.
 
#22 ·
$62 for the pair ouch.
$40 for each bulb OEM double ouch!!!

I paid $25.99 for a set of bulbs that outperform both options without any doubt for a fraction of the cost. Had them installed since November and no impact to the OEM housing. No extra work, it was plug and play .... less than a 10 minute install.
 
#25 ·
There was no wiring, it was plug and play. I had to dremel a tab on the bulb, took me 10 minutes and the light output is 10 times that of the halogens or LEDs and for half the cost.
 
#26 ·
In the link you posted is shows seperate ballest with wiring instructions.
I'm not saying these aren't a great option and they are half the price but 2800 lumens is not 10 times the 3000 lumen LED bulbs, that rating would make the HID bulbs slightly less bright. In fairness, I don't know if you can just go off the lumens rating to determine usuable light but these LED's are much brighter then the OEM headlights.
 
#27 ·
Right you plug the bulb into the ballast and the ballast into the OEM wire harness, two clicks that take a few seconds.

Lumens do not indicate the range and density of the light outputed, just the visible amount of light outputted by the bulb. Our OEM halogen is light a parking light bulb, the light outputted is sad. LED's will look appearance wise to be brighter and it is true as they have a high lumen rating however that light will not be thrown very far.

These HID's will act alone as headlights which is how insanely bright they are. Do some research on LED's vrs halogens vrs HID's and you will understand. Will try to get a fog light only pic one night.
 
#28 ·
Croat - I think I got the same (or similar) HID fog lights as you. I used a box cutter to take the single tab off but couldn't get the bulb to fit, so I took off the two tabs on the other side, but it still wouldn't lock in place. I may try again when I have more time.
What worried me more was that the factory plug doesn't fit on the ballast. I plugged the extension cord into the ballast and plugged the two metal leads into the factory plug. Turned the lights on just to test it and it lit up. Did you have to use the extension cord as well? How did you seal up the connection at the factory plug? I got the yellow ones and love the color, but I worry about water shorting out that connection.
 
#29 ·
It went in fine but would not lock, so I put it in as far as it could go and sealed the edges with silicone :) Yes fitment was an issue but the harness fit, its been fine now with a ton of night driving and 5 months down. These things put way more heat in the housing than OEM and have not did anything and for the salty and wet winter no issues with moisture in the housings.
 
#30 ·
I've been reading and reading about doing something with my headlights and foglights . This post is as close as I've gotten to an answer. Can someone post the link or type of bulbs and what else was needed to get them to work (with the LED) kind. Also the HIDS ones. Did you need aNY harness for flickering or anything. Not sure I'm into using silicone for holding the bulbs in place.

Any help would be appreciated!