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First oil change at 12000km?

4.6K views 29 replies 19 participants last post by  ephemera  
#1 ·
I went to my dealer (and service also) last week to replace my broken rear light and I asked for the first oil change (I have about 8000km).
They told me to bring the Pat at 12000km! I was surprised, because my manual says that first oil change should be at 10000km (6000miles) or 6 months. Should I take their advice, or should I demand the change at 10000km? I'm confused...:doh:
 
#6 ·
I went to my dealer and asked the very same question. Here in Canada, my dealer said every 5000 km regardless of the manual. My manual also says 10,000 km. I am sticking to the manula as I am doing my own changes. I don't trust my dealer to put my oil in. I only use Mobil 1 5w20 full Synthetic. At $50 a jug I trust only myself to put it in. I keep all records of the reciepts and even mark the date the change was done in my book and sign it with the Odometer reading etc..
 
#8 ·
With all the technoligie today in oil there is no need to be changing oil that often. That said, if the car is used in extreme conditions all the time and working extemely hard maybe this is a good idea to change that often. With regular driving there shouldn't be the need. Espescially with todays engines and synthetic oil. I did my last change at 10,000 k and the oil looked as good coming out as the new stuff going in almost.
 
#11 ·
The manual covers 2 driving conditions: A for normal driving conditions and B for hard driving conds.

With the A driving conds., services are every 10,000 Kms. and with the B every 5,000 Kms. A golden rule that I follow here is to change oil and oil filter to my cars (not with the dealer) at 5,000, 15,000, 25,000, 35,000, 45,000, 55,000 Kms and so on.... and let the dealer make the 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 Kms services, which includes oil and oil filter change without loosing the warranty.

My Pat is a petrol one, but I would apply the same rule if it were a diesel one. Oil and oil filter changes are cheap so, why not. :)

Ed
 
#26 ·
My dealer confirmed that petrol service is every 12.000km and diesel is every 15.000km. Never in my life i changed oil in less than 10.000km, so far I owned 3 cars (Patriot is my 4th). I drove them (before selling) to at least 200.000 km and NEVER had absolutely any engine problems. My first car (1991 Renault Clio) is still driving in my town (after 500.000km) and they had absolutely no engine problems so far.
 
#28 ·
VERY TRUE!!!! At least for CRDs. When I bought my Patriot, dealer told me to check oil level every 2-3 thousands km until first service. I already added 1litre (after 11000km). Apparently, after 15K KM, engine consumes less oil (and fuel) :)

Anyway, my first service due in 4000KM and it took me only 3.5 months to kick 11000km... not bad.
 
#29 ·
Never listen to dealers and auto shops about oil change frequency. The more often you change your oil, the more money they make. Their propaganda campaign about changing oil every 3000 miles is just that, propaganda.

"Consumer Reports, with one of the most widely respected product testing laboratories in the world has just released the results of an extensive test on oil brands and oil changes, as well as other issues regarding car care. In the process, the test demolished much of the conventional wisdom regarding car lubrication. The two most surprising results: the frequency with which oil is changed doesn't matter after the first few oil changes on a new engine, and the type or brand of oil used can not be shown to make any difference.

The testers placed freshly rebuilt engines in 75 New York taxis and then ran them for nearly two years, with each cab racking up 60,000 miles, placing different brands and weights in different cars and changing the oil at 3,000 miles in half the cars and 6,000 in the other half. At the conclusion of the test period, the engines were torn down, measured and inspected. The conclusions: Regardless of brand of oil or weight, no measurable differences could be observed in engine wear. Furthermore, there was no difference among cars which had oil changed at the shorter or longer interval.

Does this have any bearing on the enthusiast's car, which is given almost the opposite usage stored for long periods of time then started and driven for short distances? The tests suggested that our type of usage would build up sludge and varnish, indicating that an annual or semi-annual oil change is a good idea regardless of how much mileage the car is driven. But there is little indication that the brand or weight needs to be given serious consideration, and synthetic oil has no discernible advantage over the old stand-bys. More information on the tests and results can be obtained from Consumers Union or Consumer Reports available at most libraries."