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#1 ·
Patriot CRD for the US????? Could be! Read the highlighted text in bold magenta below:

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http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/21/autos/chrysler.reut/index.htm?postversion=2007062111

Chrysler promises new hybrids, better mileage
No. 4 automaker seeks to catch up with Japanese carmakers offering more efficiency, less environmental impact.
June 21 2007: 11:33 AM EDT


CHELSEA, Mich.(Reuters) -- Chrysler Group on Thursday said it would roll out new hybrid vehicles, streamline its cars and trucks and introduce more diesel engines in a bid to improve the fuel economy of its product line-up.
Chrysler, which is being acquired by Cerberus Capital Management from DaimlerChrysler (down $1.24 to $90.59, Charts) in a $7.4 billion deal, has trailed other major, competing automakers in key indicators of fuel economy.
"Chrysler Group is focused directly on improving fuel efficiency across our vehicle lineup," product development chief Frank Klegon said in a statement.
"We have developed and are implementing a series of major initiatives - including a bigger push in hybrid and clean-diesel technology - to meet the needs of American consumers."
U.S. automakers have seen their market share eroded in recent years, a trend many analysts and executives attribute in part to the reputation Japanese automakers like Toyota (up $0.97 to $124.67, Charts) and Honda (up $0.06 to $35.49, Charts) have established for offering better fuel economy.

Like other automakers GM (up $0.06 to $35.40, Charts, Fortune 500) and Ford (down $0.04 to $8.82, Charts, Fortune 500), Chrysler is also facing the prospect of tougher federal fuel economy standards under a pending bill in the U.S. Senate that would mandate fleet-wide average of 35 miles per gallon for cars and light trucks by 2020.

The current corporate average fuel economy - or CAFE standard - is 27.5 miles per gallon for cars and 22.5 for light trucks.

Klegon, who was speaking to reporters at the automaker's proving grounds, said Chrysler would introduce a new "mild hybrid" vehicle equipped with a battery pack designed to power the vehicle at stops, improving fuel efficiency.

In addition, Chrysler plans to use hybrid technology developed jointly with General Motors Corp. and BMW AG in vehicles beyond the two hybrid SUVs it had already announced that it would introduce next year.

The automaker also said it would offer a clean-burning diesel version of the Jeep Grand Cherokee designed to meet the tougher emission standards imposed in U.S. states such as California.

The BLUETEC technology for reducing nitrogen oxides in diesel exhaust that will be used in the vehicle was developed by Chrysler's parent Daimler, which is expected to complete its sale of the unit as soon as next month.

Klegon said Chrysler was considering offering a four-cylinder diesel engine in the U.S. market, a common passenger car engine configuration in Europe that could offer fuel economy gains of up to 30 percent over gasoline engines.

Chrysler, now the fourth-largest automaker in the U.S. market, relies on sales of trucks and SUVs, such as the Dodge Durango SUV and RAM pickup truck, for almost 70 percent of its total sales at a time when U.S. consumers are increasingly demanding lighter and more fuel-efficient vehicles.
The automaker's fuel economy average for passenger cars is the lowest of the six major automakers.

In addition, the Jeep Grand Cherokee was singled out by the Environmental Protection Agency this year as the lowest-ranked SUV for fuel economy in its class, with just 12 miles per gallon in city driving.

Chrysler has also lagged other automakers in rolling out hybrid vehicles. Hybrid versions of the Durango and Chrysler Aspen SUVs are not due in showrooms until next year.

Chrysler is investing $3 billion in new plants in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana and Mexico intended to produce a family of more fuel-efficient V-6 engines and components.

Chrysler said the family of "Phoenix" engines, which will be available in 2010, would produce fuel efficiency gains of between 6 percent and 8 percent over comparable current engines.

By reducing vehicle weight and improving aerodynamics, Chrysler also expects to boost its fleet-wide fuel economy at least another 5 percent, the company said.
 
#3 ·
It'll never happen! I really am holding off for the CRD Patriot but I think that Chrysler is so far behind the "fuel effecient" curve that they might never catch up.

Sure the Patriot & Compass get great mileage and I will own one but do we really think Chrysler will be making great strides in increasing the CAFE MPG rating?
 
#5 ·
I agree! Especially if they offer the 10 year/100,000 warranty, it would make it even sweeter!!!
 
#7 ·
I don't know if I'm ready for the hassells of owning a diesel, with all its benefits.

I, for one, am not impressed with the amount of diesel fuel available at gas stations. It seems to me that the number of stations offering diesel would have to dramatically increase. Are station owners willing to make the investment? What about environmental/legal hurdels these owners face?

Give me a good gasoline engine and I'd take it over a diesel for my Jeep any day. At work, I need the power and torque of a diesel, but not with my daily driver.
 
#8 ·
I don't know if I'm ready for the hassells of owning a diesel, with all its benefits.

I, for one, am not impressed with the amount of diesel fuel available at gas stations. It seems to me that the number of stations offering diesel would have to dramatically increase. Are station owners willing to make the investment? What about environmental/legal hurdels these owners face?
Oh really?

How many E-85 stations are out there? Our 2003 Dodge Grand Caravan can run on E-85 too but try finding a filling station in NY state that sells it to the public!!! You can't! I have never put a drop of in there in 4 years of owning and driving it! How's that for an alternative fuel vehicle!

Much more diesel up here. I found this quote on a diesel website - "Nearly half (42 percent) of all retail sites in the U.S. today offer diesel fuel." Hess around here is a major carrier as are other small stations and most major highway stations sell diesel to truckers - they would be insane not too. It's coming my friend - $3.00+ gas and poor fuel efficiency is the major tipping point!
 
#9 ·
Jeep Diesels

Well don't start holding your breath waiting for a Patriot (or Liberty) diesel in the US just yet. I was in the Toledo North plant this morning and asked the same question I always ask when I'm there. No Libby diesels yet, and by "yet" I mean out to at least '10. There HAS been some rumblings about a new diesel in the Wranglers, for late '09 for the US market. That same motor WILL fit in the Libby, and speculation is we might see it in '10. No details were available, but rest assured when it happens my contact WILL know way ahead of time, or his equipment won't be ready for it, and then you'll know too... ;) He went out and found a clean low miles '06 Libby CRD. If a new one was imminent, he would have waited...

I'll be in Belvidere Ass'y on Monday (Windsor Ass'y tomorrow ...I HATE this time of year) and will report whatever I can find out when I get back, if not earlier. Initial conversations do not indicate a diesel Patriot for '08. I want one, but that doesn't matter much... :(

Remember, all of this can change with the wave of some high-level manager's hand. YMMV...
 
#11 ·
Remember, all of this can change with the wave of some high-level manager's hand. YMMV...
Perhaps it has today? Who knows?

"We have developed and are implementing a series of major initiatives - including a bigger push in hybrid and clean-diesel technology - to meet the needs of American consumers."
 
#10 ·
That means 58 percent DO NOT offer diesel. Which, in effect, means in a lot of locations around the country, you just can't drive around the corner and 'filler-up'. Don't get me wrong, I think diesel is a good alternative for those so desiring to purchase it, but people need read the pros and cons and make an intelligent decision for their individual needs.

I would be hesitant to put truck diesel fuel in a diesel engine of a car or even SUV. I guess I'm old fashioned and not up on the new technologies, but it seems there could be some serious consequences for the car/SUV.

Maybe someone who does fill their car/SUV with truck diesel can shed more light???? Have you had any mechanical difficulties traced to the truck diesel?
Or, does your vehicle run "right on" without missing a beat?
 
#12 ·
That means 58 percent DO NOT offer diesel. Which, in effect, means in a lot of locations around the country, you just can't drive around the corner and 'filler-up'...
They are where they need be... just follow the 18-wheelers and you'll find diesel.

If there are Nitro's running around with CRDs than that engine should fit in the new Libbie!
 
#14 ·
Let me see where I live there is one gas station and it has one pump for diesel and the rest are for your regular etc gas. Then there is a diesel fuel pump on the east side of town, you have to have a card to use that pump, which is no bigger. Umm let me think, next town over has a diesel fuel pump, got to have a card for that. I don't even think the few gas stations there offer a diesel pump, I could be wrong. I'm not sure on owning a diesel yet. My father in law owns a diesel V-8 heavy duty power stroke twin turbo etc. If it is made to haul our travel trailer maybe. BUT I plan on not buying a new vehicle for many years. I plan on driving until they die and put a new motor in it. I say that then buy something new anyways. BUT E-85, I know there are no stations around here for that. There are many people driving Hybrids around. I have to be presuaded and I'm hard headed.
 
#19 ·
On the E85 availablility: The reason that it's so scarce is due to the fact that it can't be transported through the standard pipelines. It's too corrosive and instable. So it needs to be mixed within a certain range of the filling station and then sent out for use.

However, once it sits in the tank (at the filling station) the formulation can start to degrade and seperate causing it to work even less... So what you end up with is a product that you need to move fast and is very hard to get a hold of.

Now who said E85 was the right thing to do again?



On to diesels: The reason that diesel prices have remained flat is because the demand hasn't increased very much. Sure there are some real MPG benifits to a diesel but if every American (or Canadian) starts buying a diesel than we'll just have the same problems with price fluxuation.


We need a new powertrain technology rather than this "we're catching up" stuff... When I worked at Chrysler a few years ago they told us that there was enough oil available to support the low MPG vehicles that they were producing at the time (300's, RAM's and the 12MPG city rated Grand Cherokee.) What a load of crap that was!

Using less gas is a real way to go until we can work out the issues with fuel cells. And since the only Hybrid Chrysler plans to offer is in the Durango - they will still have trouble financially until they can get with the program and really start offering what the American people demand. Convience is key and marketing is a scam
 
#20 ·
srothfuss, I think having one alternate fuel vehicle per household is the way to go short term. For us it would be to have a diesel in case a supply shortage occurs with gas. I am not sold on E85 because aside from the supply issues you get approx 2/3 of the mileage versus conventional gas.
 
#21 ·
So, yeah, I'm in agreement that you probably won't find a CRD in the '08, but the fact that they have released a few of the '08 vehicle lineup and NOT the Patriot specs could mean something is on the horizon, whether it's a CRD or other engine offering.

As far as NOT needing a diesel in your daily driver, you'd be crazy to not WANT it. Daily driver implies you drive it quite a bit, wouldn't it make sense to benefit from the additional mileage; we're talking a 10+ MPG gain. And, chances are there's a diesel fueling station on your way to work that you could use to fill up.

I know there are many misconceptions about diesel (noisy, stinky) but all of this has or is changing. They [Jeep] has to do something though, along with the others, as there are new mileage standards going in place. Something has to offset the Hemi for a 35 MPG fleet Avg.

I too can't believe how behind Chrysler is on alternative technology, but the corporation is about to have new leadership, perhaps things will swing into place. I think offering the CRD in most of the Chrysler fleet would be a step in the right direction. Can't wait to see what happens!!!
 
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As far as NOT needing a diesel in your daily driver, you'd be crazy to not WANT it. Daily driver implies you drive it quite a bit, wouldn't it make sense to benefit from the additional mileage; we're talking a 10+ MPG gain. And, chances are there's a diesel fueling station on your way to work that you could use to fill up.QUOTE]

Actually, there is NOT a diesel fueling station on my way to work. If I go a few miles out of my way, I could fuel up on the Indiana Toll Road--and pay extra for the priveledge. BTW, I drive nearly 50 miles to work. My 98 XJ has 249,300+ miles on the speedometer. It rivals some diesels.

There are an increasing number of E85 pumps showing up in Indiana. Remember, though, Indiana is one of the leaders in promoting E85 as an alternative fuel. We might be the number one state for ethanol production, with an increasing number of plants on the drawing board.
 
#22 ·
I've road in a couple of rigs that were and are diesel. Had a friend who had a dodge that was diesel it was quiet. My father in-laws Ford power stroke, twin turbo, F-350, is it's quiet. I think with some that are loud, people have changed their tail pipe to make them really loud. (VRRRROOOOM).I don't notice the diesel smell coming from the rigs that are diesel, unless its an older one or your big rig on the highways. I personally don't know a lot about rigs and diesel. Like I said I have to be convinced. If we were to buy a vehicle thats diesel it won't be anytime soon. BUT back to hybrids. They should try at least. Look at the Prius. There are tons running around where I live. Honda and Ford have one but I don't see many out there. I'd like to see what they could come up with in design and style that it'd be as popular as the Prius.
 
#23 ·
BUT back to hybrids. They should try at least. Look at the Prius. There are tons running around where I live. Honda and Ford have one but I don't see many out there. I'd like to see what they could come up with in design and style that it'd be as popular as the Prius.
You have lots of Prius in Northern Kalifornia (oops, I mean Oregon) due to all those granola crunchy folks from Kali movin' up into your state. ;)

I would never be caught dead in a Prius. I hate even saying the word Prius, it sounds so.....well, Pricky. ;)

What are folks gonna do with the heavy metal batteries on those things when they die? Someone is going to make some money recycling them I figure. How much does it cost to replace the battery and how long do they last?

One thing that sucks about hybrids (and most new cars in general) is that us backyard, weekend mechanics are not going to be able to work on them much anymore and we will become slaves to the service departments in the future. :notworthy:
 
#26 ·
Well, Jeep is producing, in the US, the 2,0 Patriot diesel for the world market. The new 2,0 VW TDI is already 50 state approved. It would appear the major obstacle would be VW's permission to allow sale in NA in light of the VW's introduction of the Tiguan in 2008.

Diesel is often best purchased at truck stops as one typically does not have to worry about length of stay underground. Biodiesel (B20, 80, 100 etc) is also becoming more prevalent and, unlike ethanol, there is no penalty in fuel economy. Along with the enormous power avantages of diesel vs. gasoline engines, diesel vehicles are typically thirty percent more fuel efficient, hence you travel a lot further on a tankfull ... +650 miles on a tankful in a VW TDI or, more bluntly, four tanks to travel the width of the US. I'm really amazed that people still have trouble with the notion of the availability of diesel ... no diesel, then no trucking, no trains, no heating oil (diesel) for homes, etc.
 
#28 ·
FYI every station here seems to have 1/3 of the pumps with a diesel option in Georgia. Another important factor is it is safe to fill and carry diesel fuel in 5 gallon Jerry Cans. Not so safe with gas. Have 3 Jerry cans and thats 350 miles of reserve. While the 2.0L VW diesel is ok it would be nicer to have a newer domestic design preferably of 2.5L size.