I haven't heard of anybody going bigger than eighteen without rubbing, but I might have missed something.

Rim size aside, the Pat is a great little ride. I have a wife, a three year old, and an eight year old, and we all fit in there with everything we need to carry no problem. The interior room is startling for a ride this size. There's just tons of it.

 

I will say as for kids, I had my brother's friends 1 year old and my friends new born in the back worked great. Still had room for someone to sit in the empty seat. We have three dogs, 2 doxie's and a blue heeler/border collie, when we have our 5 year old niece with us, two dogs are back there with her, no problems. I love my Patriot. I've had mine since August. I enjoy driving it. I haven't had any problems at all. Good Luck!!!


When I got it and it was clean..... it's only had two baths maybe three since I got it............Due for one, just haven't had time......

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how deep is the back? from the tail gate to the back of the seats?

 

I know the backseats recline. My friend has an 8 month old and we can get her big stroller in there going side to side. Try checking out jeeps site. Jeep.com. I can't remember dimensions, they should be listed at their site.

 

The Patriot is big enough most of the time for my family of 4 including a 3yo and 7mo old in child seats. We also have a minivan and crew cab pickup for other times we need more capability. Cargo dimensions depend on if you measure the shortest distance, from the top of the seatback to the hatch or the floor. It also depends on how reclined the rear seat is. You've got 38" wide between the wheel wells and about 22" front to back @ the shortest distance. I fit my old single Graco stroller back there and my new double back there with diaper bags, extra stuff. Pretty much anything we need for a day trip has fit. If we stay overnight somewhere with extra bags, etc, we take another vehicle.

I have not seen 22" wheels on a Patriot that look good because you are only talking about 27-28" tires, so 4" on each side of the rim. Just not good proportions IMO. Compare that to a full size truck/SUV that can get 33-35" tires, so 22-24" rim is doable. Honestly, if you want large wheels, your fuel economy will suck, even in a Patriot. 22" wheels, 28" tires for the little 4-cyl is going to bring the fuel economy down to upper teens in city driving. You could probably put your stock wheels/tires that are lighter/smaller and get mid-upper teens in the city with your current truck and give up nothing in terms of space. If all your driving is city, get a Prius. The hatchback design gives a bigger trunk area, but not as tall. Even if you load it up with lots of crap and put "giant" 20" wheels on it, you'll probably get 35-40mpg.

Now, I went from that 12mpg pickup as my DD to my Compass and am doubling the FE, but I have the 5-speed and stock wheels that will get better FE than a CVT and aftermarket wheels/tires. I also am on track for about 25k miles per year, so it has been worth it for me.

 

Thanks for all the info i really appreciate it. A big draw for me is that Jeep is giving that $2.99 gas guarantee. Believe me i will be puting 20s or 22s on a Pat if i do in fact get one. Upper teens in the MPG almost double for me and my tahoe. So i will take upper teens and 20s or 22s. Plus with my rim hook up guy can get me 3 piece wheels for dirt cheap so the weight wont be too much of an issue. My wife is going to look at one of the Pats they have on the island today and try to find out if it will meet our needs. 20s in my opinion will be just too small coming from my 24s. my wife has 20s on her 2007 Altima and there is no way i can have only 20s on an "SUV." all that aside, i am really really leaning hard towards getting one of these trucks because it will def save me alot of money over the next 3 years with only paying 2.99 for gas. not to mention with me living in a small town, my wife and i dont drive 12,000 a year combined so we will be able to use that 2.99 for gas in her car as well.

Thanks again,
Ryan

 

Show us a pic of your "hoe"

 

the last pic was taken before i tinted the front two windows. but this is my "Hoe"

 

If you end up with a Patiot, look for the pictures of them already posted with aftermarket wheels. I think you'll be suprised how they look. The Patriot is something like 10" shorter than the Altima and the wheel wells are approriately smaller than even a mid-sized sedan.

BTW, if your Tahoe is paid off and fully operational, there is no way a new $400/mo payment wil offset the fuel savings for even 12k miles/year alone. Even if you went from 12mpg and 1k miles per month @ 4.50 to $2.99/gallon and 20mpg, you would only save $225/mo, which with good credit is a loan for about $12k. I don't see how it makes financial sense.

 

You have to factor in a couple of things when purchasing a new vehicle.
Yes, if you do the math the $400 car payment would sure buy alot of gas for the tahoe.
But 4 years down the road, you will be in the same boat you are now except now you have a car that is 4 years older and another 50000 miles on it.
Atleast if you purchased the Patriot you would still have a vehicle that is under warranty (powertrain)

Also, they would give you around $8K for your tahoe.
If it is paid off, then you would only finance around $13K.
This would make payments pretty low. I would go for the 36 month 0% if I only had to do $12K

 

Thats one sweet "hoe"

 

thanks man. i put alot of work and time into it. i did my cat back exhaust myself, welding and all that. the intake was put on by me. i did a bit of painting on it, like the bowtie, and some other less noticable stuff. i went to the dealer yesterday and the jeep guy said, we will give you $8,200, i laughed at him and he chased me down on my way to my badA$$ truck. he went up to $9,500, i started it and he said OH, you have after market exhaust? we can go up to $10,500 and i rolled the window down and drove off. so on my way home i picked up some for sale signs and put it on the market for $18,500. thats a bit over market for retail in excellent condition but my rims and tires alone are worth about $5500. so i got home from work today and there is 8 messages on my cell and i have 4 of those ppl coming over to drive it this weekend. SCREW THE DEAL!!! haha.

 

Ryan,

That "Hoe" must Go! The Pat is where it's at!

Higher gas prices coming this summer
Means driving the Hoe will be a bummer!

That "Hoe" must Go! The Pat is where it's at!

Buying the Pat will make plenty of smiles
While you cruise the roads for miles and miles!

That "Hoe" must Go! The Pat is where it's at!

Please hurry before this rhyme will end
Get to a Jeep dealership quick my friend!

That "Hoe" must Go! The Pat is where it's at!

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LOL:rockon:

Nice one Wade.

 

The real problem with trading down is in the reduced value of the larger gas guzzlers. I was considering trading our 2006 Town & Country untill I found resale on it had drooped to only $11K. We would just loose too much, cheaper to drive it for a couple more years but than it gets around 24 highway and around 17 in town. Some what better than 12mpg for the "Hoe". But My 1999 Cherokee XJ getting around 12 to 14 mpg in town went very quickly for a new 2008 Pat.

 

4 years and only 6-8k miles per year is nothing on a truck that's already that age. Save that $300/mo for the next 4 years and get a really sweet 2012 Patriot! With the value of anything with a V8 and especially large SUV's taking a big hit right now, financially, it isn't wise to sell low.

Every new Chrysler vehicle sale helps put food on my table, but that doesn't make your situation any better.

 

You are definitely playing the odds with prospecting the future value as well as gas prices. I bought a deeply discounted 2007 Ram Quadcab in Sept 07 and traded out in May. I dropped my payment, my insurance premium and my fuel bill ($850 down to $450 with very close to the same number of miles driven). The math for me was very easy. Now with the "experts" saying $7 to $10 per gallon within 2-3 years is very likely and the auto industry showing signs of agreeing it may be worth factoring in to your speculating. For me, the only compromise was losing the V8 power.

 

I owe an avalanche and asilverado as well as the pat and the pat ir great for back and forth to work and for gas milage but if you dont use you hoe to tow then the pat will work but again if you own you hoe outright i would say just deal with it cause a new payemnt wont help. anyhow best of luck to you.

 

Nice Tahoe, you've got some good taste wanna see what you can do to a Patriot

Ive got 22's on my Pat, have done for around 3 months now, and have no rubbing issues, ride issues, fuel economy, speedo or anything of the like (lots of haters who'll tell these things). There are a few pics around with 22's on this site plus 1 fella with 24's. Personally I think 22's look best, really fill the gurads up well (20's are too small in the flesh), pictures don't do them justice. Tyres to use on 22's for the Pat are 255/35/22, pretty much the only size that will fit and give you a nice tyre, you could use a 245/30/22 but they dont give enough rubber IMO.

Have a look at mine with this link;
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5975&page=2

All this being said maybe wait till the '09 models come out as they are supposed to have some nice upgrades to the interior and addres other refinement issues

 

thanks man. i have put alot into this truck and i know i will get it back even in this BAD time for SUVs. one guy that called me today said he would give me $17,500 for it and im not going to sell it for less than $18K. I know he loves my truck and he will go up the extra 500. your Patriot looks sweet man, i love seeing all the stupid ppl saying "its a jeep," brush that ish off and tell them to screw themselves. its your ride and it looks sweet. chances are they wish that their jeeps turned the heads like yours does. i know the look you are going for as i have just about the same taste. you should look into debadging your Pat, its very simple man, dental floss, some heat(hair dryer) and some goo gone, it will make it soo much cleaner. you can do that with all your trim and molding too, im actually going to take the trim pieces off mine tomorrow with my wife, i think. but all in all that thing is sweet and VERY original from what i have seen from ppl on this site.

Ry

 

This is why SUV's have such low resale right now. People overract and do figure out how much a higher FE vehicle will really cost them.

Here are a couple lessons you need to learn. Aftermarket stuff rarely adds value to a vehicle. You might find someone willing to pay a little extra for the mods you did to your style, but you just alienated 95% of the market who has different taste than you. If your rims are worth $5k, sell them and buy some OEM ones for $500. You'll get more for the combo of truck/rims that way and sell both quicker. Oh, nothing is in "Excellent Condition." Nothing! If it was bought new, then parked in a vaccum chamber for 8 years, maybe, but anything that has been driven is good, at least as a trade value.

You've got a $10-12k truck. Sell the rims for $2000 if you are lucky. That's a large downpayment on a new Patriot and new wheels for it. But if you spent $5500 on wheels/tires for that, and you plan another $3k for the Patriot, you are making even more unwise finacial decisions. Just keep your truck and enjoy it! You are wasting more money on wheel decreciation than any fuel savings you will get, let alone the vehicle depreciation.

 

Haha, nice opinion, guy. i have been doing this to vehicles since i have been driving, i think this is my 6th car that i have tricked out and then turned it around and sold it for MORE than i put into it and what it was actually worth. you know nothing about what my truck is worth buddy. you can go to KBB.com or nada.com all you want. ppl will pay for original and great looking vehicles because they dont want to go thru the hassle of doing all the little things to it and puting the time into it themselves. i didnt say i paid $5500 for my rims, they were $6700 retail, however i have a guy that gives me deals like you wouldnt believe. i paid under 3Gs for rims and tires(my gives me the tires for $1 a piece so he can show that they were paid for and not just given to me. so i would be paying about $1700 for 22s and tires for a Pat if i decide to get one. oh and because you are ignorant i will school you up on one more thing buddy, if you get rims and tires with the exact same or close to the same total diameter as the OEM rim and tire with a 3 piece rim you will not lose much if ANY MPG. my 24s are 3 piece rims and the diameter is exactly the same as the OEM rims and tires that came with the tahoe, therefore i lost less than 1/2 a mile per gallon with that mod. this is because the way the 3 piece rim was designed, they are much lighter than most rims in the 1 or 2 piece market of at least 2" smaller of a wheel. so you really should check your facts before going and spouting off at the mouth about stuff you have NO CLUE ABOUT! oh btw, have a nice 4th of July, i will continue to fight for your freedom and allow you to be an ignorant loud mouth. HAHA!

 

I guess I don't know anything about anything besides my Jeep. I really don't have any experience with anything else, and even this Jeep, I don't know much about since I have not even had it for 4 months. Thank you for noting how stupid I am. If you care to refute Edmunds and KBB who both say your truck is worth about $10k to a private party, you can bitch at them too.

It is your money to spend. Do whatever you please with it. If your only reason for selling it is to improve fuel economy, you should reconsider. If you find some sucker to pay $18k for your 9 year old SUV that gets 12mpg, more power to you.

 

yes you sir are very ignorant. ppl will pay WELL over KBB and Nada for a clean one of a kind truck in this tiny town that i live in. Chevy Trucks and SUVs run for several 100,000s of miles and this one only has 70K.

 

At least I got a Sir out of you, but I doubt you mean it respectfully.

Why would someone pay an $8k premium for a vehicle they can get in any major city and drive home? Most people find vehicles transportation/tools. Customizing is more likely to alienate than attract, on average. You limit your market in an already small town because for every person who thinks your changes are awesome, 10 people hate it.

I have had a full sized pickup for 9 years and frequent those forums too. Thousands of people customize their trucks and they all say what I told you when they go to sell. Return to stock and sell the aftermarket parts. The value of used vehicles do not drop linearly by age or miles. Your aftermarket $6k wheels and $250 Flowmaster exhaust can be replicated on any used 2001 Tahoe.

I understand why you were thinking of replacing your Tahoe. If you really could get $18k for it and pay maybe $20k for a Patriot, plus your modifications, the payback in fuel costs would come sooner. But @ my estimate of $12k total for your truck, not so much.

Besides fuel, is there any other reason why you want to replace it? Are there any problems with it? Is it too big for what you use it for? etc?

 

no my tahoe is in extremely excellent condition. i have babied it since i got it. the first owner was an older man that just drove it back to work and home. gas is mainly it. i have been looking at Dodge Magnums in the last few weeks and i am pretty sure i will go with that over a patriot but we will see when i get rid of my tahoe.

 

I really like the Magnum. I'll take a red R/T, please. It's considerably larger than the Patriot with the 3.5L returning about the same fuel economy as the 2WD CVT. It is no longer in production, so maybe there will be better deals, but I suspect it will still cost more than a Patriot.

Are you waiting until you have yout Tahoe sold before buying its replacement?

 

yes i will buy my tahoes replacement after i sell it. i am scheduled to be deploying in september so im hoping that i sell it before then, like RIGHT before i leave. this way i can buy a new car when i get back. if i get a magnum i wont get the RT. i will get a V6 for economy purposes only. mainly the RT is only badging and a few better options. i can do without the Hemi. i strip all the badges off my vehicles anyway so the badging isnt an issue. i know there are a few different body things as well from the RT to the V6 versions. but i do custom painting to my vehicles as well so i know i will have the baddest Magnum around so its no worries with that. all with the dual exhaust on the Hemi R/T, i will just get custom bent magnaflow exhaust to counteract the single outlet of the V6 versions. i know i can put 24s on it but i will probably go with a meatier 22s. yes yes, i know the MPG will go down a bit BUT i will for sure get 3 piece wheels so the weight wont be an issue. do you know if the back of the Mags are longer from the back of the back seats to the tailgate than the Pat? cuz the Pat was just a bit too small for me.

 

There is a lot more floor space in the Magnum. I don't know the dimensions, though. I had an RT for a weekend and badging aside, I loved the powertrain. That's why I would want one, or even an SRT-8. Neither are going to happen with money focused on kids instead of my own fun.

 

Sapper, you could purchase it while you are in Iraq, get it thru AAFES. Do not buy now,for one you wouldn't need it, it would sit for year, unless it is your family's only car. I gave my DD to my sister since my wife has a truck. I am getting 4000 off in rebates, fully loaded 09 sport for 20k.

 

you can, how about the shifting? Is it for free?