diesel wrangler should be coming out 2016epper:

 

The only real Jeep Renegade in my book is the CJ series Renegades. Don't know why Fiat's ruining the brand, but they are. Maybe trying to get even for what happened 70-80 years ago, maybe not. Patriot's a good vehicle, can get 20-30mpg depending on version, modifications, and how it's driven. (Just please no 6-spd) The new so-called Renegade....might as well not get started on that one.

 

Fiat ruining the brand? We all drive FWD/AWD 4-cyl Crossovers built off of a car platform that someone slapped a Jeep logo onto. the brand has already been
"ruined". But in fact, it's not ruined, it's just moving on like the rest of the world. People laughed at the XJ, but now see what it can do. People thought the ZJ wasn't a real Jeep, but I've seen some badass ZJ's around, even a monster ZJ that was parked on a trailer blocks away from my old apt. The Renegade, like the Patriot, is a better answer for the entire world, not just North America. Lots of places in Europe require a small economical vehicle. Making them fwd and 4 cyl just brings the price down. You want a big beastly "Real" Jeep? Grab a Wrangler, its the closest thing to a GP that's left.

 

It would all depend on your projected application of the vehicle. There does not appear to be as much room available in a Renegade as compared to the Patriot. The Trailhawk version of the Renegade looks interesting, probably capable enough for just about the same terrain as a Patriot.

Although I despise the looks of the Cherokar, I do like the boxy, tight looks of the Renegade. If I had the financial means and if my children were of age, I'd consider helping them get one as a type of college graduation present. I don't see myself in a Renegade now, as I have a family of four and do not live in a large city.

Just compare the specs of the Renegade to the Patriot in light of your needs and expectations for the use of the vehicle.

 

x2.

If I was in the market for another car, the renegade is off my list. its simply too small for my needs. so does the renegade meet your needs/requirements?

 

The Patriot is tested and you will get more and for less. Something to also keep in mind, I have learned my lesson on buying the 1st calendar year model twice .... never again.

 

Patriot....Nicely baked. Renegade....Gooey center...

 

As the Patriot is no longer sold in the UK, it is a slightly different question here. I do need to replace my Patriot this year - had it from new and have now done over 100,000 miles. Saw a Renegade today. Much better than the pictures alluded to, and quite impressed. Has the 'boxy' profile of the Patriot, though not as extreme as the Wrangler. Though it is smaller, the roof height is excellent - seats fold flat etc, so for me, it will not be a problem. Except for the first edition, will not arrive in the UK till around June. Very likely to order one.

 

"Renegade" front end isn't too bad, but the back looks like a cross between a Chevy Cruze and a Scion xB.

 

Another option would be just to wait and see where things are at in another year if you can keep with your current Patriot that long. You should still be able to get a Patriot well into 2016, the Renegade will be in its second production year, and we'll also probably know a lot more about the successor to the Patriot/Compass by then.

 

Wait until 2017 and see the redesign on the Wrangler. That's kind of what I'm doing me thinks...Hopefully they don't "fiat" it. They couldn't be that stupid, could they?

 

Have you seen the 2014+ lineup? They're that stupid.

 

I cannot remember where I saw the Renegade specs but I thought the manual tranny was only available with the small 1.4 L engine and the larger engine meant having that 9 speed automatic that too many Cherokee owners are suffering with. Do I have it right ??

 

Good question

I am buying a 2 year warenty to get until oct-nov next year wen i will trade my pat 2010 trail,,,for..!?

Jee renegad,,or rav4 or ford escape,,or kia sportage,,or hunday santa fee! Letjust say i was not impress at all with jeep patriot! I like it,,but cant see having so mutch little troble and not even 37 kmiles...


But yes i like the new renegad,,,,,but should have been call something helse,,,,its not even close to good old renegad!

 

Will see the result wen we sethem in action,,,but gor true offraoders that know there stuff,,,,know that FIAT,,, have there space in the top for offraod action


Just take a look at all years with the FIAT PANDA,,,a goo everywhere lityle. Offroader,,where many jeep would only dream to go! People overestimate. Jeep,,bug in true world manh small vehicule have went ahead many time i have seen so manh time in the 80s with little suzuki samurai,,,going and passing where jeep could not!

But it depnd what you want,,,,space etc

Just hope its reliable,,,and not costing a fortune to repair if not reliable!

Could be mabe a pain to get. Ater market partsetc

 

IGSTER

That is what i ad before and xttera,,mine was a 2004'mhad it for 4.5 year. Did 115k. I had nothing at all,,,,i put a pair of wipers in 120k almost 5 years,,,my pat,,,,,:doh:...sadly.

Bug will be honest,,,,,,its more expensive,,,and hard on gas compare to a pat

 

Patriot 6 speed auto stick

I believe they are building the Patriot 'till 2017.

I'd go for a Patriot the 6 speed auto stick,is the best thing to happen to the Patriot,that first gear is nice and low...and actual gears...the 6 is pretty darn smooth and moves out real nice..you can auto stick it through the power..or choose whatever gear you need for whatever you are doing...and keep it 'till you need to change...choice is good.

You can,as I am,trail rate the riot yourself,lift it,skid plate it and put hooks on it,it's all good fun...I urge you to take out the 6 speed automatic with auto stick,it is a very slick little set up.

Cheers,
Bill.

 

I believe they are building the Patriot 'till 2017.

Things can change and very possibly will, but officially as of last May the Patriot and Compass are supposed to disappear and be replaced "mid-2016" by a single vehicle. What that means in terms of Patriot/Compass production is unclear, but a mid-2016 launch (assuming they are going to produce the replacement in the same factory, which would make sense given they are using the Dart platform) means that while we might get a 2016 Patriot, a 2017 model is unlikely.

 

Its posible,

First
Pat was gone for 2014'mmthen2015""now 2016! The sale is going up,,so why stop building them!.

Tomorow going to buy a extend warenty 2 or 3 years for my 2010 pat,,cheaper then get onother one! 100$ a month,,for 3 years,,,60k,,

I was looking at a ford escape,,but the new one sure look nice but it realibility is down the drain! Looking at aloaded rav4 650$ a month for 6 years,mmm. So my extend warenty is charper,,,.

 

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We have all seen the articles extolling the increase in Jeep sales. Record numbers in fact. However, some people conveniently forget that those numbers are led largely by world vehicles like the Cherokee. Our vehicles heralded the future of the Jeep brand while paying homage to the classic Cherokee. Personally, that's one of the things I love about my Patriot.

 

Yeah, but at least the Patriot looks the part. Can't they put the "Renegade" front end on the Cherokar and get rid of that stupid 9-spd, maybe make it more rumbly? If they'd do that I'd fall in love with it(figuratively speaking of course). As for the "Renegade" itself, get rid of the "choose which terrain you're on" sissy dial and make the back end look tougher.

 

how does the patriot look more "the part" than a renegade. Is it the boxy shape, round headlights, and seven slot grill? Because I'm pretty sure the Renegade has all of those. Besides, the Renegade Trailhawk is designed to be better than the Patriot FD2 in every aspect on/off the road. Better crawl ratio, real locking diff, and a crapton of options only a Grand Cherokee had. Just look at all this cool stuff it has
http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/jeep/specifications/renegade.html

And to top it all off, the damn thing comes with a 1.4 TURBO engine for all regions! That means there will be lots of turbo upgrade goodies making TONS more power than our wimpy Patriots.

 

I would love to see the Renegade front end on the Cherokee! Maybe we should put out a photoshop request?

 

I would go with the latest Patriot, just make sure to get the Freedom Drive 2 so you avoid that sketchy new transmission, plus the Patriot has already got some after market support and somewhat modifiable. Good luck with your decision!

 

Ok, let me put it to you this way, since we seem to have kind of established the Cherokar bit, at least for now. Yes, the "Renegade" front end looks like a Jeep. Behind the grille, a bit less. Patriot vs "renegade", which back end looks closer to the XJ's, ZJ's, and WJ's? Patriot vs "renegade", which side profile looks more like an SUV and which looks more like a Nissan Cube rebadged for Fiat? Patriot vs "renegade", which seems to actually involve the driver in wheeling and which just says "select which terrain you're on and push the pedal"? Jeep's going the wrong way. It may be kinda similar to the right way, but Fiat's doing the same thing to Jeep that liberals are doing in D.C.

 

They could at least make it more rugged. Yeah, there's yuppies and posers, but they're easy enough to spot. I'm more worried about those who don't get the true purpose of the brand. Am I a purist, maybe. I just believe there's a fine line between saying Wranglers are the only real Jeep and embracing the real yuppiemobiles like the Cherokar just because they're "refined". Fiat's crossing that line and not looking back. The Patriot and Compass are good, yes. They're simple, rugged, utilitarian, decently cheap(especially for brand new 4x4's), capable for what they are, etc. Grand Cherokee is starting to go a little far even for a luxury Jeep, but all I'd do for the next generation of that is get rid of the selectyourterrain dial and maybe make it a little less rounded. Wrangler's holding it's own for the dedicated ride and even for some as the never-leaves-the-pavement daily driver because they think that's the only thing that can handle even 1 inch of snow, but some things shouldn't be messed with, like the possibility of anything but two solid axles on a Wrangler. Would be nice to see decent, modern-yet-keeping-the-legacy newer models of the Liberty, Commander, and Grand Wagoneer out, but with Fiat's track record I don't currently trust 'em to do it right. I'd say retune the CVT and put it back in FD1, take the 6-spd out of the Patriot, get rid of the 9-spd altogether in the Cherokee nameplate and use the 6-spd there(if they want that many ratios, use a properly tuned CVT with extra cooling). Not to mention a major retooling of the sheetmetal on the Cherokee name. As for the "renegade", if they're going to call it that, shouldn't the overall look be more Jeep and less of a FJ Cruiser/Fiat500L/Nissan Cube mashup? The front end isn't all that matters. Maybe a little stance could do the trick better, and a slightly bigger motor, with more power. That way it'll better handle whatever it weighs and possibly be more efficient. I know I'm borderline here, but less than 2 liters of displacement in a Jeep of any sort these days doesn't seem right. Would be an interesting throwback to have an upgraded version of the original Willy's 4-banger and tranny available in the "renegade" though, if it were properly retooled.

 

Would be an interesting throwback to have an upgraded version of the original Willy's 4-banger and tranny available in the "renegade" though, if it were properly retooled.

Weren't those only like 64HP...? I drove a 4 banger '95 YJ for a couple months...wouldn't want anything smaller...

 

Found the real Jeep Renegade...

 

Yeah, the original Jeep 4-banger had less than 100 horsepower, that's why I mentioned an upgraded version, maybe a little bigger or something. But the tranny it came with had high and low range, so all told it had six speeds forward and two in reverse, which was unheard of at the time. Even the first Corvettes only had two forward gears. And in what universe does an Isuzu count as a Jeep of any sort?

 

And in what universe does an Isuzu count as a Jeep of any sort?

Change the name and that's what I imagine you wanting the Renegade to be like.

Honestly I think we need a new release Samurai or something like it...they could even target the ATV market(heck utv's are soo expensive these days they are only a few grand short of an actual car/truck). A smaller, tougher, cheaper Wrangler with extremely good gas mileage.

@ Rosso, WTH is your issue with the 6 speed autostick? You slam it in about every post you make, and I'm curious as to why? I have the 6 speed autostick, and it suits me well. So please enlighten me. It surely can't be a simple matter of preference, with all the negativity you spread about it.

+1 with the issues I've been having with my CVT and the lower and higher range the 6 spd offers I'd take it in a heartbeat. I loved the CVT the first 25-30k miles...

 

Ah, well, looking kinda like that Isuzu I guess. Now I see the point of that one. As for the explanation of my 6-spd opinion, I've pointed this out before but I will again. The 5-spd and the CVT have been in the Patriot since it came out. Granted, each has issues and could use some tweaks, but that's what should have been done instead of introducing an entirely new transmission. Please understand I'm not trying to push away the owners of 6-spd equipped Patriots, it's still a good vehicle. It's just that the 6-spd was a completely unnecessary change, and from what I can see has completely replaced the CVT for 2.4L models of the Patriot. All Chrysler had to do was look into retuning the CVT, but instead they're putting in a transmission that the Patriot's reputation wasn't built with. I'm happy it's at least not a 9-spd like in the Cherokar, but the CVT is still a superior option for this particular vehicle, especially if it's tuned right. I was like you guys about five years ago, wondering why a "snowmobile transmission" as the dealer called it was equipped instead of gears. But I've come to love it. Keeps just the right ratio, and I can hold RPMs up to the speed I want. Don't get me wrong, I love the autostick in mine, and if it had been available from the start I'd have a 6-speed in my Patriot too. But the CVT is the transmission style that has been available on the Patriot from the start, and shouldn't get just thrown out because of a couple gears. Besides, since when is any Jeep(besides the Grand Cherokee) supposed to be quiet, of all things?

 

The way I see it with the Renegade coming out, Jeep is doing the right thing by getting more technical. The entire industry is moving in that direction to keep up with the demands of consumers and federal regulations (mandatory back up cameras, CAFE, safety, etc etc). Think of it like the old computer at work that is still running Windows XP. It was great when it was brand new, but as the years went on it got slower and slower and finally technical support for it stopped altogether. Your company doesn't want to upgrade because it worked fine before, but now it's becoming unreliable and outdated to the point where it's causing problems. Jeep/Fiat is trying not to let the brand become old and outdated like that computer. Sure, it's perfectly fine to have a retro model in your company, everyone does. But being run by a fleet of old computers isn't going to keep business running smoothly. Jeep has to upgrade and keep evolving just like computers need to be updated. Yes, please keep the Wrangler around and keep it true to its roots as the king of off-road, but everything else offered in the lineup should be fresh and new.

TL;DR - Jeep has to keep up with the constantly changing world we live in to stay in business and they can't do it by building old vehicles.