Dang - just priced a SRT 4x4 for $73,755!

 

Sure ya did, I can hear ya squeaking from here tightwad...... :wow: You won't even buy a Patriot after being on here for a couple years now, you Poitical Guru.

 

ouch that hurt
4x4 sport starts at $25k
add AC and its $27k
cant add engine block heater without adding $800 cold weather package
and thats for the 4 banger!!!!!
didnt even get to look for 6cyl option/version

 

The new 3.2L Pentastar V6 is not available in the Sport trim. You have to get at least the Latitude to get the V6. It is a $1495 option.

I priced out 2 different ones and it ranged from $30,570 to $33,700 with the options I want. Definitely not a cheap vehicle. However, they are less than the competition( Equinox, Pilot, etc... ).

The Cherokee is not the Patriot's replacement so it will be more $$$. IT is the Liberty replacement.

The Cherokee may be what I replace my Patriot with in 1-2 years if it turns out to be problem free. More power, more options, and better MPG.

 

:boxing:

 

Right on!!!!!!!!

 

Buy my Landrover and I'll buy a Pat - k sweetheart

 

OMG! I can't wait to order my new 2014 Cherokee!!!:doh:

 

if they cant figure out my stalling issue I will demand a srt8 cherokee!! I won't get one but....I can dream

 

If I ever decide to buy a Cherokee, the only trim level I can live with is Trailhawk. Have to admit it does come nicely equipped or available options for the price. It's still butt ugly to me at this point. Maybe once I see it, my opinion will change.

 

I'll just stick with my Patriot..


If I'm going to spend 30 grand or more on a vehicle I'll actually be getting a "real Jeep" not an ugly wanna be "real Jeep"


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If I'm going to spend 30 grand or more on a vehicle I'll actually be getting a "real Jeep" not an ugly wanna be "real Jeep"


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Agreed. Base Rubicon for me please.

 

Just built and priced both a Cherokee and Wrangler. For 2K more I could have a fully loaded Wrangler. If I was in the market for a vehicle of that price range it'd be a no brainier to me. Unless you REALLY REALLY care about fuel mileage.


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MPG is a big part of why I would be interested in a Cherokee as it will be pretty good for it's class. However, I wouldn't try to compare the new Cherokee with a Wrangler. Just a totally different vehicle class. The Cherokee will actually have a lot more features and be a lot more daily driver friendly. The Wrangler just doesn't have any appeal to me being honest plus they are small inside.

 

They Need an off road capable vehicle for less than 23k if they expect me to replace my patriot with another jeep.

 

The Wrangler ???

Starts at $22,395

 

The trail hawk is cool, but once you add any kind of options to it you have a $38k vehicle....at which point I would just by a GC 4x4 limited with the pentastar.

 

Then on top of that its extra if you want a automatic transmission...

 

What? There isnt a manual option for the cherokee

 

I sit in too much traffic to not have A/C, but for a just off road vehicle I wouldn't have it.

I've been thinking that converting the AC to an air compressor for my tires would be the best use of that extra drag on my motor.

For air, I have a pump that uses the cigarette lighter, and could plug my compressor into the power inverter too (not the one that comes with Patriot, but a better one I carry with me), but most folks I know use a can, and I have a friend who's family has these, use link, that are really cool for portable compressed air:
http://www.turanairsystems.com/

 

Considering 95% of my driving is on roads and my car stays parked from 8am to 3pm in the sun all day, ac is a must for me!


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This doesn't seem like a good replacement for the patriot, Its base price is %43 more than a Patriot. I wonder if they will keep the Patriot around?

 

It's not or ever was intended to replace the Patriot, its to replace the Liberty(Cherokee in export markets). The Patriot replacement is still in the works.
Considering the minivan, Durango, 200, replacements are in the pipeline, who knows when the Patriot replacement will appear.

 

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/1310_2014_jeep_cherokee_first_drive/

interesting info, so the 4x4 drive train of the cherokee comes in 3 flavors:
active drive I (freedom drive I)
Active drive II (freedom drive II)
Active Drive Lock (freedom drive II with a locking rear diff)

The active drive II is available on the latitude, but NOT the sport trim... you save about 2k going that route vs the trail hawk version, I wonder how much it would be to add the locker to the latitude? I wonder if they will update the sport to have the active drive II available, or better the active drive Lock... That makes a lot more sense to me at least... since that was the huge appeal of my patriot, Off road capability for a little more than 20k.

 

It's $995 to add the ADII to a Latitude. That also includes the off road suspension upgrade as part of it.

 

So basically from what I've read; FDI>Active Drive 1(since active drive 1 has no "4WD Lock") FDII>FDI(Lack Of Aggressive BLD and 19:1 "low" range) FDII<Active Drive 2(56:1 low range vs 19:1) Active Drive 2<Active Drive Lock(same low range with addition of rear locker)

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Yeah, looks like ADI is a fully automated system. Nothing the driver can do to engage/disengage 4WD. I do not like that at all. That basically means it is like all the other small suv's and cuv's out there with automated AWD.

I had that type of system before before in an AWD 2008 Chevy Equinox and while it is ok for driving it is not optimal when you know before hand you need it such as pulling a boat up a snow covered boat ramp or having to drive in mud. Having to wait for wheel slippage before it kicks in just doesn't really fill me with confidence.

I am really disappointed to see Jeep do that. I figured they would do something similar to what they have in the Patriot that just makes so much sense. Their claims it is because driver's want something less complicated with less driver input and skill needed is just stupid. How hard is it to flip a switch when you see conditions are bad? Give me a break.

You would have to go to ADII which gives you a 4-Low option to have any kind of control and be able to turn 4WD on when you want it( in low ). I wonder though if that will in any way impacts MPG the way FDII does? I am almost thinking it may not but? If it doesn't impact the overall MPG I would definitely spend the extra $995 for ADII if I got a Cherokee.

One interesting note is all 3 4WD versions come with Select-Terrain. This lets you pick which type of conditions you are driving in and alter how the 4WD system responds. You get the following options( Rock only available on Trailhawk with ADL )...

• Auto – Fully automatic full time four wheel drive operation can be used on and off road. Balances traction with seamless steering feel to provide improved handling and acceleration over two-wheel drive vehicles.

• Snow – Tuning set for additional stability in inclement weather. Use on and off road on loose traction surfaces such as snow. When in SNOW mode (depending on certain operating conditions), the transmission may use second gear (rather than first gear) during launches, to minimize wheel slippage.

• Sport – This mode alters the transmission's automatic shift schedule for sportier driving. Upshift speeds are increased to make full use of available engine power. SPORT mode is not available when 4WD LOW is selected.

• Sand/Mud – Off road calibration for use on low traction surfaces such as mud, sand, or wet grass. Driveline is maximized for traction. Some binding may be felt on less forgiving surfaces. The electronic brake controls are set to limit traction control management of throttle and wheel spin.

• Rock – Off-road calibration only available in 4WD LOW range. Traction based tuning with improved steer-ability for use on high traction off-road surfaces. Activate the Hill Descent Control for steep downhill control. Use for low speed obstacles such as large rocks, deep ruts, etc.

At least having these things you can select helps when you can't engage 4WD manually like you should be able to. I could have done without Select-Terrain. Just do the 4WD like they did it in the Patriot. Flip the switch when it is needed. I don't see how having a bunch of different driving conditions to pick from is less driver input like Jeep claims was the motivation behind it all?

The owner's manuals and user guides for the 2014 Cherokee are now online at Jeep.com. The user guide gives good details about the 4WD systems among other things...

Select 2014>Cherokee>User Guide

http://www.jeep.com/en/owners/manuals/

 

Yeah, looks like ADI is a fully automated system. Nothing the driver can do to engage/disengage 4WD. I do not like that at all. That basically means it is like all the other small suv's and cuv's out there with automated AWD.

I'm with you, although I think I should truly reserve judgement until after I drive a Cherokee. My reasoning is this... my wife's commander is an AWD system (QDII). I'm almost completely positive that in normal street conditions the rear axle gets nearly 100% of the torque. If the rear axle turns faster than the front, a gerotor pump kicks in and applies hydraulic pressure to a clutch pack to apply more and more torque to the front axle until both the front and rear axle turn at the same speed.

So in theory it should be slipping tires before it moves the power around. I haven't seen snow yet, but I've done a fair amount of off roading with it and I haven't slipped a tire yet. That's with the hemi so I think it has enough power to spin them. I'm really impressed with the brains of this system. Maybe Active Drive can be just as good?

 

I was just looking over the manuals for the new Cherokee and was surprised to see that Chrysler is spec'ing the 2.4L in the Cherokee for 0W20. It says you can use 5W20 if no 0W available though. Tons of owners will use 5W20 because 0W20 is only available in synthetic and most people don't want to pay the extra $$$. The 3.2L V6 is spec'd for 5W20.

I also found it interesting that Chrysler is doing something now they have seldom done in the past and that is actually recommend a brand by name other than MOPAR. In addition to MOPAR they list Pennzoil and Shell Helix as oil brands they recommend. SOPUS( Shell/Pennzoil/Quaker State )is now the factory fill and MOPAR supplier so it makes sense but they never really have said use brand X. Just MOPAR. The exception I can recall being Mobil 1 for SRT vehicles until they stopped using Mobil as FF.

Other interesting maintenance notes...

Spark Plugs = 100K so most likely Iridiums
Coolant = 150K
Transmission = ZF8/9 ATF NO change interval listed
PTU = NO Fluid spec or change interval listed
Rear Diff = NO fluid spec or change interval listed

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...tory/money/cars/2013/08/14/2014-jeep-cherokee-chrysler-epa-ratings-mpg/2655499/

Official fuel economy ratings for 4WD 4 and 6 cylinder versions. Pretty disappointing if you ask me given that just about all new model AWD compact SUVs now are managing 30mpg highway figures, at least.

 

27 mpg highway for a 4x4 V6 isn't bad at all

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I think the 4cyl MPG in both FWD and 4WD is pretty good in the Cherokee if you actually get what the rating is. I think the V6 MPG is average. Not bad but not great. The 19 MPG city rating on the 4WD V6 is disappointing.

As much as I would want the V6 for the extra power I think if I do get one it will be the 4cyl for the better MPG. I have lived with the 4cyl in the Patriot and survived( better than I thought I would coming from a HEMI Ram )so I should be able to survive in the Cherokee too. Just have to test drive one and make sure it is at least adequate.

As with the 4WD concerns I have pulling my duck boat I also would need to be sure the 4cyl Cherokee could pull it. I would think seeing as the Patriot can it should be able to though.

 

The V6 sounds like about the same MPG as my FDII, and should have more power. Interesting they added a locking diff. in the rear, for what sounds like the same as our FDII. I've had all 4 wheels spinning many times, so just not sure the locking diff. would make a lot of difference?

In all my other 4x4's I've wanted lockers front and rear, so I can get all 4 wheels to drive me, but the FDII seems to work as well IMHO.

 

The locking rear diff( ADL )is only available on the Trailhawk.

 

the patriot does it by using the brakes, making you loose power by friction, locking diff, you don't have the power loss.

 

But are you sure they don't still incorporate BLD's?