Anyone have one ?
If so, did it make any difference in power/MPGs ?
If so, did it make any difference in power/MPGs ?
Katmandu
Cold Air Intake on a 2.4 ?
I would just go with a drop in high flow air filter, honestly on smaller engines the gain is negligible and the $200+ won't be worth it, a high flow filter utilizes your already well insulated factory intake housing. Be cautious, some CAIs actually pull in more hot air when your engine is idling or stuck in traffic, and that decreases engine efficiency and power. Just my 2 cents. I have a drop in filter and it made a little difference in intake sound and a "placibo" effect in throttle response.
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I've got a K&N intake on my 2010 2.4L, it added a growl and some acceleration. Would probably do better if I put the snorkus intake thingy back in, but it doesn't fit quite right with the new intake, and performance is still better than stock. If actual stats match up with advertised(didn't test exact or on dyno, just a few quarter-mile runs), it should be adding 7-10hp or so and a few MPG. Looks cool under the hood next to the trumpets too.
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You won't see gains anywhere near that with an intake, if any at all. Most modern stock airboxes are actually designed quite well. Aftermarket intakes will typically only give noise and possibly the aforementioned placebo effect of thinking you got more performance.
X3. No way a K&N intake adds 7-10 HP to a 2.4L Patriot. You might see those gains if you start out with a 400HP engine but not on a 170 something HP little 4 banger. Nope. Not happening unless you also add a performance exhaust and find out a way to do a performance tune to take advantage of those mod's. IF you saw 1-2 HP gain with a CAI on a stock 2.4L consider it a lot.
CAI's are vastly overrated on their own. It is pretty much all noise and placebo. A simple K&N drop in OEM replacement air filter is even less effective. Add exhaust mods so all that air coming in has a place to go and tune the computer to properly and effectively compensate for the changes and that is different. On it's own though a CAI is just an expensive piece of plastic and metal that sounds like a vacuum cleaner on roids.
If you want better MPG then slow down, don't leave every stop sign or traffic light like you are at the drag strip, don't haul a bunch of crap in your vehicle that adds weight, keep the vehicle properly maintained, and keep tire PSI set properly.
If you want more HP buy a vehicle with a bigger more powerful motor.
If you want to waste your money and fool yourself buy a CAI or drop in filter and tell yourself you just added a bunch of HP and gained a lot of MPG.
CAI's are vastly overrated on their own. It is pretty much all noise and placebo. A simple K&N drop in OEM replacement air filter is even less effective. Add exhaust mods so all that air coming in has a place to go and tune the computer to properly and effectively compensate for the changes and that is different. On it's own though a CAI is just an expensive piece of plastic and metal that sounds like a vacuum cleaner on roids.
If you want better MPG then slow down, don't leave every stop sign or traffic light like you are at the drag strip, don't haul a bunch of crap in your vehicle that adds weight, keep the vehicle properly maintained, and keep tire PSI set properly.
If you want more HP buy a vehicle with a bigger more powerful motor.
If you want to waste your money and fool yourself buy a CAI or drop in filter and tell yourself you just added a bunch of HP and gained a lot of MPG.
actually, I did notice more acceleration, and mentally factored in possible placebo....it was better. Might not be too much on a Patriot, but between the double-platinum plugs, the intake, and a couple days later the exhaust, there's a difference. Noticed an actual difference even before putting in the exhaust.
They sound it too, and while this rig will never be a Corvette, it should give some competition to the Class-9(or was it Class-11? don't recall at the moment) stock VW Beetles that take on the Baja, and hopefully to the rest of Class-3 as well.
Weve been rounds on CAI's on the Challenger site. Measured on dyno time and again and no power increase. It's usually added for sound and appearance reasons.
As stated earlier, modern air boxes are designed quite well and the Pat has a cold air intake stock. It's that little air horn that attaches to the air box that points out the front...picking up cold air. The biggest problem with aftermarket CAI's is they usually live inside the engine compartment and pick up hot air from the engine, not cold ait from outside.
As stated earlier, modern air boxes are designed quite well and the Pat has a cold air intake stock. It's that little air horn that attaches to the air box that points out the front...picking up cold air. The biggest problem with aftermarket CAI's is they usually live inside the engine compartment and pick up hot air from the engine, not cold ait from outside.
Ok, in order: the trumpets are the Wolo 430 Dixieland airhorn set, hooked up to the steering wheel with a toggle switch so I can get the stock or Dixie sound from pressing the steering wheel, depending on switch position. Intake and plugs were done first, I noticed actual improvement in acceleration, however marginal, as soon as it was done(includes accounting for placebo with sound). Next day as I recall, Magnaflow cat-back exhaust installed. Again, small improvement in acceleration, even taking into account the extra sound/placebo it provided. I checked the speedometer, it went up faster when accelerating out of the turn onto a dirt road on the way home. Not sure about the plugs, but intake and exhaust each added a few ponies. Can't say how many exactly as I don't have a dyno available, but I can tell you how many they're advertised to add to the Patriot/Caliber 2.4L and what kind of actual difference I noticed. Didn't notice that the old copper plugs were worn out or not, but the double-platinums were recommended by people who know about such things, and helped install.
copper plugs ftw! In my highly tuned turbo saabs, that's all I would run was copper. Everything else was just a waste of money.
well, they looked it up on the Auto Value computer and double-platinums were on the list for the Patriot. Seems to work pretty well so far, so I'll stick with what I've got(for those parts of the vehicle, anyways).
When they look that up on the computers, all they see is what will physically fit in the holes and plug in... Spark plugs are pretty universal. A lot of plugs fit in a lot of different cars...
They will last a bit longer. but they cost a lot more. if the shop is getting a 10% mark up on them, they would rather sell you a $20 plug vs a $2.50 plug.
They will last a bit longer. but they cost a lot more. if the shop is getting a 10% mark up on them, they would rather sell you a $20 plug vs a $2.50 plug.
Lol, I actually know these guys, so they usually give me a discount. The shop owner once just randomly gave me some free air freshener, and they got me the intake and exhaust for under $1k.
it was 50k miles before I changed the plugs anyways, so it was past time and the new ones work nicely. As for the intake and exhaust, it was special-ordering a K&N intake for the Patriot/Caliber 2.4L, and special-ordering price+freight charges on a Magnaflow cat-back exhaust(yes, stainless steel all around) that would have otherwise been more expensive. If I hadn't gotten those parts where I did, they would have run me maybe $1100-1200. As it is, I paid about $980 for them, out the door. Here's the links on what I would have paid otherwise http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=57-1552 http://www.autotrucktoys.com/jeep_p...aflow-Jeep-Patriot-Stainless-Steel-Single-Cat-Back-Exhaust-System-PRD34820.aspx Only thing is, we found out after install that the exhaust is technically meant for a 2WD Patriot, so I'll need to get one of the pipes straightened out. Other than that, I'm happy with what I got.
That K&N CAI is $220 w/ free shipping most everywhere. It is the one I priced out.
Magnaflow SS systems aren't cheap for sure. That kit is readily available for $612 w/ free shipping online most everywhere.
So roughly $835 shipped to you. If they installed them for you then $980 is ok. If not then you over paid a bit.
IF you are happy that is what matters. :beerchug:
When looking for things for your Patriot ask here on the forum. Myself and others can usually direct you to the best prices. Also, if it is a regular part( brakes, filters, alternators, battery, etc... )I can usually get you a discount coupon code as well.
Magnaflow SS systems aren't cheap for sure. That kit is readily available for $612 w/ free shipping online most everywhere.
So roughly $835 shipped to you. If they installed them for you then $980 is ok. If not then you over paid a bit.
IF you are happy that is what matters. :beerchug:
When looking for things for your Patriot ask here on the forum. Myself and others can usually direct you to the best prices. Also, if it is a regular part( brakes, filters, alternators, battery, etc... )I can usually get you a discount coupon code as well.
well, I know what I'm getting when I order from those guys, and the price I paid was actually discounted. The parts were installed after-hours, intake one night, exhaust the next. Was a little tricky, and I didn't do all the work, but it helped having the shop equipment there. Took a blowtorch to get the stock pipe off the catalytic converter though, it was stuck on pretty tight. Wouldn't trade the whole experience for anything.
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