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#61 ·
RossoRacer said:
kojack, you've been on this forum for five years more than me, and have only ninety more posts. You come across this build thread and give feedback, which I appreciate, but the way you give it is to be only negative and shoot down my dream, which is completely dishonorable and unsportsmanlike. This only makes me want to take that integra you were bragging about, put it in a C-130, and drop it into the Mexican desert.....without a parachute. From the C-130's ceiling, which is probably at least 20,000 feet. If you're going to be negative, do it someplace else. Oh, and consider putting in your current ride, location, and maybe an avatar. Your posts look even wierder without them. SCORE requires a roll cage, which I plan to install alongside the frame, where it can't be easily seen, but will still provide plenty of protection. They also require an air horn, which is cool because I was planning on installing authentic train horns anyway. Less than five people might have the idea to race the Patriot, but more than fifteen thousand own Patriots and might be inspired to modify them somehow after seeing me race mine, or hearing that it was done. More people might be inspired to buy Patriots after seeing their true potential. As I already stated, the stock engine STAYS, and will be modified to compete. Am I likely to take overall first place? Hardly. There's multi-million dollar vehicles in that race. Do I have some semblance of a chance to win in class and possibly overall? Absolutely. Every vehicle in the race(there will be a couple hundred) is started 30 seconds apart. Dirtbikes come first, then ATVs, then the Class-9 bone-stock classic VW bugs, Class-3 like me, etc., and finally the big teams with the specially-built buggies and trophy trucks. I will race, I will succeed, and most will be impressed. You probly wouldn't be impressed even then, because I smell cynic in your posts. Cynics ignore success and concentrate on failure. This is not a good way to live. It is a way to fail yourself in life, and lose potential friends.
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Oh if you finish I will be very impressed. I am not a cynic, i am a realist. I have worked on race cars in the past. I know whats what.

you say your motor will be modified to compete.....modified with what exactly? An intake and exhaust is not modified to compete. Same with the suspension, there is absolutely nothing available. You can only use murchinson springs, and either KYB or Monroe struts. If you want anything else its going to take im guessing about 10-15k just to get something, then you have to test them out, tune them, and make sure you have adequte travel. After that, you will need beefed up half shafts, again, nothing made. there is one place where you do have something available and thats bumpers, you will need them and I recommend tag. at least you will have something that can take a hit or two. and be able to tow you out when you get stuck.

I never failed at anything! and my friends are close. like I said, my integra that I owned beat many a mustang, camaro etc. thats not failing when the car had 140 hp stock. after it was fiinished I was running 29 lbs of boost from the sc, an endyn modified jackson racing unit, had endyn pistons, eagle rods, endyn block brace and some other odds and ends.

Again, I will return to the story of my friend who "built" his civic for the targa nl. used basic bolt ons because they were cheap. like lowering springs instead of a full coilover system that you can tune to run fast. same with tires, used something he could find instead of proper tires for the race. he cheaped out because he was only working as a car stereo installer. he lost control multiple times and destroyed his car, it was a coupe, he spun it and ripped the truck clean off, brought it back to the garage, turned it into a hatch over night, from a wrecked one, and went out and off the course again and pretzeled it into a ditch, bad. even with a roll cage, the car just taco'ed.

i have helped build an MR2 turbo that was running 12's in the 1/4, 2 eagle talons that run 10's. I am not new to the game and I know my ****.

I also know baja, and off road racing. and that its killer on even purpose built rigs.

as i said before good luck.

I have only 90 more posts as I dont post whore!
 
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#62 ·
Oh, btw, i fixed my signature JUST FOR YOU.:smiley_thumbs_up:
 
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Discussion starter · #63 ·
Well, let me introduce myself. I can be "practical" and "realistic", but with this, I'm an optimist. I will be checking with Mopar and Rocky Road to see if they are willing to make prototype parts to enable this vehicle to participate to the fullest. I will race and I will succeed.
 
#64 ·
please do, let me know how that goes. RR only makes spacers for the suspension...Like I said, you are going to need something entirely different.

you need to contact fox, king, fabtech places like that for suspenion. rocky road do not make springs, shocks etc. and they won't for a one off system.

fox and king might, but im betting at least 10-15,000 dollars for them to even entertain the idea.

what exactly are you looking for for your motor. One off products takes testing, time and of course money. Mopar is not into making special one off parts, they make parts to sell to more than one person. again, if you are looking for motor stuff, mopar aint it.

btw, how old are you?
 
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Discussion starter · #65 ·
young enough to see the light, old enough to know to brush off your cynical nature. Yes, cynical. It can be done, and I'm sure companies that have interest in seeing the Patriot succeed will help.
 
#66 ·
I beg to differ. companies just don't dole out parts to sponsered teams very easily. And I also can pretty well bet the bank that none of them care remotely about a patriot running the baja. Remember I worked on race teams here with targa, been there and done that too!, again, im not cynical, im a realist. there is zero support, if you don't have beyond deep pockets, its not going to work...and beyond deep im saying at least 60-100k to toss into it. all one off stuff takes money. you ain't gettin it free. I can guarantee you that.

btw, check your pm, you won't get anything free there, but you may get something made.
 
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Discussion starter · #67 ·
ok, guys, need to add power to my rig. A friend of mine suggested boring out the cylinders(he called it increasing displacement), but said the engine would have to be completely removed, however temporarily, to do so. I'd like to get extra power, preferably with some fuel efficiency intact, but don't want to have to completely rebuild the Jeep. Any ideas?
 
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RossoRacer said:
ok, guys, need to add power to my rig. A friend of mine suggested boring out the cylinders(he called it increasing displacement), but said the engine would have to be completely removed, however temporarily, to do so. I'd like to get extra power, preferably with some fuel efficiency intact, but don't want to have to completely rebuild the Jeep. Any ideas?
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Unless you can get the ecm tuned, get a better cam and heads then the last place I would look would be boring out your motor. you would be better off looking into what it might take to swap in a Dodge caliber srt 4 drive train and ecm since its the same platform as the patriot.
 
Discussion starter · #69 ·
maybe, but so far there is no commercially available ECU tuner for the Patriot. I like the CVT, and the rig has to retain the same aspiration as stock, not to mention the stock look. Gonna need to look over the regs again.
 
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Discussion starter · #73 ·
Not getting a UK engine, that's not within regs and I like mine anyways. Need to tune the ECU, maybe look into getting the CVT upgraded. But, Class 3 regs say it has to retain overall stock shape, stock aspiration(aka no adding supercharger if it's naturally aspirated), and quite a few other things. I'm even gonna have to add a five-point racing harness and roll cage, but the big one I really don't know what I'm getting into with is powering up an engine for which almost no performance parts are available for.
 
#74 ·
You would get the most power out of having the cylinder head done. A good 5 angle valve job and have the bowls blended. If you can increase the intake and exhaust valve sizes, you'll get a slight gain there too. Going further would be to CC the combustion chambers and have them machined/ground or the head angle cut to be all the same as well as the deck heights on the pistons.

Going oversize on the cylinder bores does increase cubic inches, but it would only add something like 2" in total (as a comparison, a bored out 350ci chevy, .030 oversized becomes a 355ci). The head is where the power is. Flow more air through the head and you have the potential to make more power.
 
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RossoRacer said:
Not getting a UK engine, that's not within regs and I like mine anyways. Need to tune the ECU, maybe look into getting the CVT upgraded. But, Class 3 regs say it has to retain overall stock shape, stock aspiration(aka no adding supercharger if it's naturally aspirated), and quite a few other things. I'm even gonna have to add a five-point racing harness and roll cage, but the big one I really don't know what I'm getting into with is powering up an engine for which almost no performance parts are available for.
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In all honesty, as great as the guys are on this forum, you're not going to get what you're after here. "Performance" here at JP.com is a different beast than the one you're chasing down; you should be looking at some of the Caliber forums instead. Most of the info you'll find on the web re: Caliber performance will be in regards to the CSRT4. You're gonna want to dig (and dig, and dig) for info on the Caliber R/T, which is the mechanical equivalent of the Patriot (keeping in mind, however, that the engines themselves are very similar, aside from the turbocharger).

Just a heads-up; you'll probably be blazing the trail on damn near anything you want to do internally to the engine (this is where you'd cross-shop the CSRT4 upgrades with the R/T setup).

todde702 said:
You would get the most power out of having the cylinder head done. A good 5 angle valve job and have the bowls blended. If you can increase the intake and exhaust valve sizes, you'll get a slight gain there too. Going further would be to CC the combustion chambers and have them machined/ground or the head angle cut to be all the same as well as the deck heights on the pistons.

Going oversize on the cylinder bores does increase cubic inches, but it would only add something like 2" in total (as a comparison, a bored out 350ci chevy, .030 oversized becomes a 355ci). The head is where the power is. Flow more air through the head and you have the potential to make more power.
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Good call, todde702. Might even wanna look into ITBs, or at least an intake plenum with meth injection. All of which is moot until you find an ECU that will play nice. Have you looked into a piggyback setup of some sort? If AEM or someone has one for the CSRT4, you might be able to de-tune it or disable some options in order to make it operate a non-turbo engine.

Either way, best of luck to you, RossoRacer. Please continue to keep us abreast of your findings.
 
Discussion starter · #76 ·
well, I haven't gotten a response from 4 Wheel Parts for potential sponsorship. Called corporate headquarters twice, got voicemail on the guy I was directed to both times. If anybody would know about off-road racing, it'd be them. Also put through contact forms to Tanner Foust Racing, Richard Petty Motorsports, and Mopar Parts America. No response. They probably don't know how to respond to the idea of a Patriot in the Baja, or just won't take me seriously. Might go looking into Caliber parts, but it's got to stay basically the same deal, just some aftermarket upgrades(I think). Got almost three years until my time comes, so we shall see.
 
#78 ·
I just watched some stock truck baja videos. Dont take this the wrong way but your wasting your money and time. Your patriot dosen't have the suspension ( travel or clearance) even if you bought new parts nor will have enough hp to fairly compete in that event. If it was straight desert you'd have a chance. If you did try and compete your truck will be escorted to the scrap yard by a tow truck.
 
Discussion starter · #79 ·
maybe, but if a stock VW can do it, a modified Patriot can do it. Even if I don't win, I still wanna try, get the Patriot some recognition. They start starting about 630am, with dirtbikes. Then come ATV's, then the VW Beetles, Class 3, etc., then trophy trucks and Baja buggies with their million dollar rigs. There's a 30-second interval between each and every vehicle, so to keep from having big packs and make it fair. The last rigs get off the start line about 9am-930am, because there's so many entries. An hour or two isn't much of a start on those guys in a thousand-mile race, but it's better than nothing, especially if I get enough travel within the regs, right?
 
#80 ·
I say go for it! Somethings I would suggest.
Weld gusset plates to the bottom of the front and rear control arms to strengthen them. Buy a set of spares and weld them too, and also two spare tie-rod ends.
Get Stu's coils for some additional ride height and better bottom out protection.
Pick up the FDII skidplates for the engine and gas tank. Have someone make a custom extension from the rear of the engine plate to protect the steering rack and lines.
Get some full size rims for full size spares.
 
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