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#21 ·
First I would highly suggest using email to contact all dealers

second I would not discuss trade in or anything else until I got my price i am happy to buy it for.

The patriot lowball brice is about 400 below the 'base price' and may even be lower. Couple that with the 2500 in incentives and you can really knock them down if you take a month to do it via emails and short visits.

Your trade-in has nothing to do with the car you are buying. You are trying to sell the beast. And selling to the dealer is selling to someone who will pay you less than anyone else.

I would suggest craigs list or the local papers and see what happens. Definitely take your time on this one, lots of many involved.

The dealer sells and manipulates buyers all day. You buy a car what, every 3 to 10 years? You are no match for their abilities.... go slow.

Sell you vehicle yourself. Get a loan from somewhere first.... then haggle online with all dealers. Then visit and argue with them more.

Walk away if they upset you.

Be safe.
 
#23 ·
You have to get the trade in value from kelly blue book and stick to your guns. I hate buying a new vehicle. With gas prices so high I had to get rid of my 05 dodge dakota V8. I expected to get at least 14,000 for it. They at first wanted to give me 9,000. I said I want at least 14,000 or forget it. I did still owe like $9,000 on it and they agreed to pay it off and they gave me a 1,000 rebate on top of the 500 rebate offered at the time. I ended up settling for 12,500 on my trade. You just have to be prepaired to play the game.
 
#25 ·
Unfortunatly, the car market is also soft right no which doesn't help. After trying to trade my grand Prix prix I was getting so lowballed i sold itself and got over 2000 more than what they wanted to give me, yes it took time, but it was worth it. it helped I happen onto a CHEAP Caddy Fleetwood in good shape for 100 bucks to drive for a while, then sold it for 1200 :D
 
#26 ·
Y'all crack me up. You use all these bullsh!t ways to buy cars. Try something different. Treat the sales guy with respect and be cool with him. If he is a jerk then leave. Find the sales guy you get along with and tell him what you are trying to do. I would rather deal with someone who is honest with me and I will be honest with him. A small quick commission is better than along drawn out car deal any day of the week. But always start with e-mailing dealers.
 
#27 · (Edited)
You'll never get what you could get on your own at a dealer. The purpose of being in business is to make money. They have to buy your car at a wholesale, so they can re-sell it and make a profit. As businessmen, they are going to try to maximize that profit however they can get away with it. It's to be expected. I fought it for forever, but it just ain't worth it. When I bought my new Patriot last weekend, I took a completely different approach, and it saved a lot of trouble and headache for both me, and the salesman.

I just told the guy look, here's my trade, here's what I can pay a month, and here's how long I'm willing to pay it. I don't care how you work it out, but work it out, and I'll buy the car from you right now. And he did. Easy as that. I came out about $2300 negative on my trade, but who cares. With the rebates and other discounts, and him working to get me the right interest rate, I got the car I wanted, for the payment I wanted, for the term I wanted.

Two factors that helped me out are a) I wasn't asking for the moon, I was looking for a good deal, but I was actually pretty reasonable. b) I plan to drive the Pat for at least ten years. If I was planning to trade it in 2-3 it wouldn't turn out to be as good a deal, but like I said, the plan is to keep it.

The last car I bought was my XJ. I went in with an attitude about what kind of deal I was going to get, and in retrospect I wasn't all that nice about it. I got to the dealership at 1pm, fought with them all day long, lost valuable time out of my life I'll never get back, and stressed myself half to death. Finally left with my XJ at 1:30 am. Twelve and a half hours to buy a car, none of it enjoyable. By contrast, the "here's what I've got, here's what I want, work it out and I'll buy right now, don't and I won't" approach, coupled with a friendly attitude, had me spend less than two hours total at the dealer, and got me exactly what I wanted. Focusing and the payment and term I wanted, got me a great deal with low stress, and minimal time out of my life invested. If I had been hung up on trade-in, I would be hating life right now. With the rebates, and other discounts, the neg. trade was really non-factor at the end of the day.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or that this will work for you, just that it worked great for me.
 
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#28 ·
I wish I would have gone that route when I bought my wife's car. I got jack for my trade AND only a few thousand off the car.

However, when I bought my second car, I e-mailed the dealer and said, "hey, I bought a car from you 6 months ago. I'm interested in a new car, but don't need one. I see you have some 07s you need to get rid of, and if your willing to give me a good price I'll take one". I never even went into the dealer. I just discussed via e-mail, fax, and phone calls.

I ended up getting the car with everything I wanted but uconnect- Including the trailer hitch, mud flaps, a nice looking pinstripe. In fact it was fully loaded plus those "add ons". I got it for the base limited price. (21k for a 27k car, 6000 off MSRP with sunroof, +++ all options but uconnect and navi). Never once did I lie, argue, or anything else- I just said hey look heres what I got, heres what I want to do, lets work together to see what we can do.

Of course initially they said "how about 25k, it's the best we can do" and I said, "ok thanks for the help- call me if anything changes" and a day later they called and sealed the deal.

I think your right. the lying, arguing, route works for some people, but I'm juist not interested, and I think a lot of people aren't. Why fight someone when you can work with them?

I kind of wish jeep would switch to a saturn pricing strategy, and a toyota production strategy. Then we wouldnt have all these 07s laying around, and we wouldnt have to argue over price, AND resale would be a little more solid.

~B
 
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#30 ·
I think I would let the 07's sit, with the few problems they have get an 08. btw why dont they just fix the known problems on the 07's on the lot. I have heard stories about people buying them with known issues not repaired. I guess they wait until the customer complains. ie transmission flash and leaks. I dont know if it would be worth getting for 4000 less if it has all these problems.
 
#32 ·
Jeepasaurus Tex said:
You'll never get what you could get on your own at a dealer. The purpose of being in business is to make money. They have to buy your car at a wholesale, so they can re-sell it and make a profit.
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Actually they buy/trade below wholesale. I sold my '99 Dakota to get the Patriot. My aunt is a used car dealer and she told me that my pickup was $4000 black book (the wholesale auction price dealers use). I took it to Carmax just for fun. After they "inspected" it, they came back with an offer of $3000. They came back with this number because if they took it off my hands for $3000 they could wholesale it and make $1000 or if they could sell it to a customer they could probably make $2000 or more.
I ended up selling it to a guy for $4500. It was below the suggested private sale price (from kbb.com) of $4900 but both of us were happy. He got a "low" price, and I know that I got $500 dollars more than if my aunt had auctioned it wholesale ($1500 more than what Carmax or other dealers would have given).

Everyone wants a good deal, the challenge is getting all parties involved to not be too greedy (dealer asking too much and buyer expecting much lower).
 
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#34 ·
metalhead said:
My problem was my saleswoman was cute and the finance woman was smokin hot. being a single guy how can you say no to that. LOL
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Yeah when I went to test drive a Patriot the salewoman was cute, but knew next to nothing about them. I had done some research on them and went to check them out. I told her a few things. Anyway I was out of state on vaction and owed quite a bit on my truck I had no intention of buying. I made that clear.
 
#35 ·
I think i spent an hour and a half max at the dealership. Found out that my 02 Galant had odometer fraud on it, which made it next to worthless. I told them what i wanted (base model Pat) and what id pay for it. I still owed about 4000 on the galant, and i walked out in just over an hour with my Galant paid off, and paying sticker for the Jeep. I didnt mind paying sticker because they were able to help me pay off the Galant even though it was worth nothing and couldnt be resold by them, at least retail. All in all, my salesman was a great guy. I walked on the lot, saw the exct one i wanted and told him before he ever got the keys that if we could get the numbers where i wanted them that id take it home that night. And if not, id keep driving my POS for a year till it was paid off. Well, we took a quick spin around the block and i loved the Pat, just like i expected to. He said "ill get you the numbers you want" and their first offer with rebates and everything paid off my car and didnt rape me on negative equity. I asked if they were flexible on the price of the Patriot and he told me that being a base model and because they were eating my Galant for 4K meant not really. I looked it over, had the payments i wanted and signed my life away. No regrets whatsover. I LOVE MY JEEP!
 
#37 ·
:doh:I wanted to trade my 2001 Oldsmobile Intrigue with 40,000 miles for my 08 Patriot Limited, all they wanted to give me was 3,500. I sold it privately for 6,500. That's a dealer for you.

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08 Inferno Red Limited,sunroof,Convience package, 4X4
 
#38 ·
12K really isn't too far off for a trade, check autotrader in your area. Within a 100 miles of here the average price is 16.5. That gives them ~4k for hagglers, hardly enough to put generations through college.

You should have known you were going to get raped for trying to trade in a year old car, I don't care if it had 1300 or 13000 miles.
 
#40 ·
Honestly, it doesn't matter what dealer you are going to to and what you are looking at buying, you won't get much if any better. Sell it on your own, you'd be much better off, but even then don't expect to get even close to what you paid for it.
 
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