* The all-new Jeep® Patriot sales of 5,195 units mark the vehicles’ best month ever

Rends · Mar 4, 2008

Yes toyota seems to be very agressive when in comes to comercials. But it doesn´t work everytime. Last summer they introduced the Auris here in Germany and spend 20 Million Euros and plastered a couple of cities just with posters. but end of story is that the auris wasn´t a succsess here. 30 percent less sales than expected.
Toyota as biggest japan brand has only 4.8 percent market share in Germany and lost somewhat in 2007. I read some german car boards and they are full now with complains from Toyota car owners that the quality decreased over the last years but prices raised on the other side to domestic standart.

JoeBecker · Mar 4, 2008

Rends said:
I read some german car boards and they are full now with complains from Toyota car owners that the quality decreased over the last years but prices raised on the other side to domestic standart.

That is the challenge that all auto makers face. In order to be the big dog of marketshare your quality will suffer because in order to produce the numbers you have to reduce tolerances, outsource to multiple vendors, speed things up, and allow some lower quality stuff pass through. Toyota is now finding out that it isn't so easy being at the top of volume.

jepstr67 · Mar 6, 2008

IMHO....That is what made me a Jeep and AMC fan. I liked the day late and dollar short approach to auto manufacturing. AMC was never going to be number one so they didn't bother to try. They didn't come up with manny winners. They inherreted all the amazingly timeless Kaiser Jeep designs. However, most of their big money makers, like the mini-Cherokee and the Grand Cherokee did not come to fruition until after Chrysler bought them up. Iacoca was no idiot.

If AMC had not blown so much money developing the Matador Coupe, and the Pacer would have been brought to market as it was designed*, things would have been very different.

*The Pacer was originally designed to have front wheel drive.

Muddhogs · Mar 6, 2008

Everyone seams to have forgot the Eagle. I had a Eagle wagon 4x4 and it was a decent family daily driver. I think it came out ahead of its time. If it had been a few years later it would of been a seller. As for the Libby my wife hated the still of it. She has a 96 Grand 5.2 V8. She is why we are getting A patriot. To replace the grand so she can get MPG.

Akula · Mar 6, 2008

Walkeraviator said:
I believe the future is this...

1.) Bigger boxier Grand Cherokee with 3rd row seating option

2.) Current Style Liberty which is smaller than GC but l;arger than Pat and offers affordable SUV with real offroad abilities (solid rear axle)

3.) Patriot which fills teh compact fuel efficiant SUV niche and competes with Escape, CR-V, and Rav4

4.) Wrangler... in a class of its own.

That's about what I see happening. They could keep the Compass around, it depends on whether they're turning a profit with the thing- since it uses the same platform and drivetrain as two other vehicles, it probably isn't that expensive to keep making. However, if the Commander ends up in a shallow unmarked grave, the Grand Cherokee really needs to grow a bit and fill the 3 row segment. Interestingly, around here the Commander seems to be selling well; I see them all the time- more than the GC.

Gaze · Mar 6, 2008

It would be interesting to see them change the size of the Grand Cherokee as it has been pretty similar in size through all three of it's generations. I think shifting the GC into the large SUV market would be a mistake.

jepstr67 · Mar 7, 2008

False advertising

Muddhogs said:
Everyone seams to have forgot the Eagle. I had a Eagle wagon 4x4 and it was a decent family daily driver. I think it came out ahead of its time. If it had been a few years later it would of been a seller. As for the Libby my wife hated the still of it. She has a 96 Grand 5.2 V8. She is why we are getting A patriot. To replace the grand so she can get MPG.

It used to make my skin crawl in the 90's when Subaru had the ad campaign for the Outback wagon with Crocodile Dundee saying "it's the world's first sport utility wagon" What a "crock"!

JoeBecker · Mar 7, 2008

jepstr67 said:
It used to make my skin crawl in the 90's when Subaru had the ad campaign for the Outback wagon with Crocodile Dundee saying "it's the world's first sport utility wagon" What a "crock"!

Even worse was in that commerical they compared it to a Chevy Blazer. How did those really even compare? The only reason they used Mick Dundee in the commerical is because he is so short it made that car look taller.

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