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#22 ·
Col Pudbgebutt just reminded me that you're looking at a 2012! Indeed, they should be willing to deal big-time on that. When I bought my 2008 in January 2009 it was a base with no options at all (FWD/CVT). Its the vehicle they used to advertise the "as low as" pricing, then of course they talk you up the vehicle they really want to sell. At the end of the season it was still sitting there. So I talked them into making it the vehicle I really wanted to buy. As part of our negotiaion (friendly) the dealer installed cruise control & fog lamps as freebies to make the deal. All told, I paid < $15,000 US for mine.
 
#25 ·
Add up the cost of the following and tell me how much it would be to add these to a standard FDI:

1)Oil cooler
2)140 amp alt
3)Bright Exhaust Tip
4)17-Inch x 6.5-Inch Aluminum Wheels
5)Full-Size Spare Tire
6)Transmission / Engine Oil Pan Skid Plate
7)Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield
8)Tow Hooks
9)Engine Oil Cooler
10)Driver Seat Height Adjuster
11)All-Season Floor Mats
12)Trailer Tow Wiring Harness
13) additional water sealing around the cab
14) auto Trans

I'm sure the cost would be well over what the package is to add to the vehicle.

Now add the things you can't get with the FDI:
Brake Lock Differential
Hill Descent Control
Continuously Var. Trans with Off-Road
Crawl Ratio
 
#26 ·
I really like my FDI with CVT. On the highway yesterday I passed two trucks in almost no space, kicking it up to 90 mph. This thing has all the acceleration I would ever want. Well, not what my '69 Buick GS350 had. LOL) I am well satisfied with this combination. And I average 24 mpg.
 
#27 ·
aroundincircles said:
You're wrong in at least one area, a patriot with the fdii package would spank a manual patriot off road. That's why they made it.
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Speaking from experience, an FDII will pull harder in ALL situations than a FWD with stick. I have a friend at work with a FWD 5 speed Pat, with the 2.4, and I would pull him by 2 car lengths going up the on ramp onto the freeway. The lower gearing of the FDII, combined with the CVT, means the FDII just hits the sweet spot in the RPM range faster, and stays there. Everytime he would shift he would drop back farther. Just my $0.02.
 
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aroundincircles said:
Add up the cost of the following and tell me how much it would be to add these to a standard FDI:

1)Oil cooler
2)140 amp alt
3)Bright Exhaust Tip
4)17-Inch x 6.5-Inch Aluminum Wheels
5)Full-Size Spare Tire
6)Transmission / Engine Oil Pan Skid Plate
7)Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield
8)Tow Hooks
9)Engine Oil Cooler
10)Driver Seat Height Adjuster
11)All-Season Floor Mats
12)Trailer Tow Wiring Harness
13) additional water sealing around the cab
14) auto Trans

I'm sure the cost would be well over what the package is to add to the vehicle.

Now add the things you can't get with the FDI:
Brake Lock Differential
Hill Descent Control
Continuously Var. Trans with Off-Road
Crawl Ratio
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I envy the tow hooks and skid plate. The rest is already included or an up sale item. Not to mention the disadvantage an automatic give you versus a stick. Its kinda like owning a convertible. It kills it knowing the hardtop is so much better of a performer.
 
#30 ·
Afmcronnie said:
Speaking from experience, an FDII will pull harder in ALL situations than a FWD with stick. I have a friend at work with a FWD 5 speed Pat, with the 2.4, and I would pull him by 2 car lengths going up the on ramp onto the freeway. The lower gearing of the FDII, combined with the CVT, means the FDII just hits the sweet spot in the RPM range faster, and stays there. Everytime he would shift he would drop back farther. Just my $0.02.
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friend didnt know how to shift,
called rev matching
i havent driven a manual Pat, but cant see it being slower than my FDII
many times feel like fred flinstone wanting to get my feet on the ground to help the pat get up to speed.
125k miles on my FDII, have tried every possible method to squeeze speed out of it, hard acceleration, slow acceleration, etc..
half throttle till engine catches up helps but its still slow.
 
#31 ·
So what did you end up getting? FYI I love my FD1 CVT. The use of autostick takes away all the frustration - I can make it shift when I want (to control a curve or zip up a gateway ramp) and then when I am done, just hold it to the right to go back to standard automatic. I thought I wanted a manual - my first love, but this is the best of both worlds.
 
#33 ·
I prefer 5 speed manual but my CVT isn't so bad. I like it the most with the cruise control set, it just finds the right RPM and smoothly stays put at the speed I set. Some cars have a nasty gear change when the cruise is set with an automatic transmission. I'm hoping my next vehicle will be a 5 speed manual. I'm sure it would be one HELL of a job to convert an automatic Patriot to a manual!
 
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