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#21 ·
My 430 radio loses time also. My rear doors are making a lot of noise when they are opened and closed. Other than that everything is fine.

I love my tc, sometimes not but it is for the best. My TC actually stops understeer! That was something I didn't expect. I would get yours checked out if warrenty is still up.

What year is yours?
 
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The_Jeep_Life said:
My 430 radio loses time also. My rear doors are making a lot of noise when they are opened and closed. Other than that everything is fine.

I love my tc, sometimes not but it is for the best. My TC actually stops understeer! That was something I didn't expect. I would get yours checked out if warrenty is still up.

What year is yours?
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2011 Pat.
 
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#24 ·
jeeppatriot.com should have a complaint forum. First off, you sound like you are driving the Pat excessively. Second of all dixiedawg is right on. Until you bring this to the dealer and get answers, how are these guys going to help you. We had a guy roll his Versa coming off a highway ramp and said the Versa had turning problems. BS. This versa idiot could have killed someone and he wants our sympathy. Go get answers mhoppes and come back.
 
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Coppertrailer said:
jeeppatriot.com should have a complaint forum. First off, you sound like you are driving the Pat excessively. Second of all dixiedawg is right on. Until you bring this to the dealer and get answers, how are these guys going to help you. We had a guy roll his Versa coming off a highway ramp and said the Versa had turning problems. BS. This versa idiot could have killed someone and he wants our sympathy. Go get answers mhoppes and come back.
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Maybe I am.... but the Saturn handled it all fine, I'd expect more from the Jeep. I talked to one dealer already, but I'll talk to another closer one and see what can be done.
 
#27 ·
Not sure about your experience in the snow either man, that's odd. I just took my 2013 up a series of snowy/icey roads west of my house and it performed flawlessly. It was far more forgiving than my YJ Sahara in the snow too. I had my tires spin a couple times but that was only because I was trying to make that happen, not because it was struggling or anything.
 
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Arthur said:
Not sure about your experience in the snow either man, that's odd. I just took my 2013 up a series of snowy/icey roads west of my house and it performed flawlessly. It was far more forgiving than my YJ Sahara in the snow too. I had my tires spin a couple times but that was only because I was trying to make that happen, not because it was struggling or anything.
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OK, there-in is my point. You shouldn't be able to make the wheels slip unless you turn off the traction control.
 
#29 ·
Traction control doesn't kick in until it feels wheel slipage... So it's gonna spin a tire or two till it notices the slip and kicks in. If you are really getting stuck, and slipping you should put it into 2nd on the auto shift, and that should quell it. Also be easy on the gas, even the 2.0 is a peppy engine and you could be digging in a hole if you punch it. Tc is reactive not proactive.
 
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aroundincircles said:
Traction control doesn't kick in until it feels wheel slipage... So it's gonna spin a tire or two till it notices the slip and kicks in. If you are really getting stuck, and slipping you should put it into 2nd on the auto shift, and that should quell it. Also be easy on the gas, even the 2.0 is a peppy engine and you could be digging in a hole if you punch it. Tc is reactive not proactive.
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So then, fundamentally IMHO, TC is broken on the Jeep.

On my Saturn when driving in slippery conditions (say pulling up a hill covered in snow) you can just push the accelerator to the floor and watch the TC kick in and pull the car up the hill with no slipping.

With the Jeep in the same situation if you push the accelerator to the floor it will slip and slide all over the place and end up off the road.
 
#31 ·
Push the dealer harder, and if possible make a video of the 2 cars doing the same stunts, and prove the dealer that the Saturn is doing better. I have had maybe 2-3 times the amount of problems you had in 6 months, and I started taking videos and I showed the service manager, and they kept my jeep for a week, tore it apart, and fixed everything that was wrong. I only have one issue, but I haven't back to the dealer to get it updated. It is a cheap truck, I mean it starts at $15,999, but I feel for the same price, its more solid than the Sentra I traded for.
 
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2012 Cherry Patriot said:
Push the dealer harder, and if possible make a video of the 2 cars doing the same stunts, and prove the dealer that the Saturn is doing better. I have had maybe 2-3 times the amount of problems you had in 6 months, and I started taking videos and I showed the service manager, and they kept my jeep for a week, tore it apart, and fixed everything that was wrong. I only have one issue, but I haven't back to the dealer to get it updated. It is a cheap truck, I mean it starts at $15,999, but I feel for the same price, its more solid than the Sentra I traded for.
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Ewww. Glad to know it got fixed. I might have to do that, I'll update this thread on Friday when I drop it off at the dealer.
 
#33 ·
mhoppes said:
On my Saturn when driving in slippery conditions (say pulling up a hill covered in snow) you can just push the accelerator to the floor and watch the TC kick in and pull the car up the hill with no slipping.

With the Jeep in the same situation if you push the accelerator to the floor it will slip and slide all over the place and end up off the road.
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Hold on, hold on... back up. Walk me through this, you're at the base of the hill, it's covered in a mixture of snow/ice, you put your Pat into 4X4 and then floor it? That's a recipe for sliding off the road in a number of vehicles, imo. Not the way to do it. Your Saturn, was it a really powerful vehicle? What's the engine? I could see flooring it if it's underpowered, sure, maybe. But with a Jeep, that's not the way to drive up hills in ice/snow.
 
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Arthur said:
Hold on, hold on... back up. Walk me through this, you're at the base of the hill, it's covered in a mixture of snow/ice, you put your Pat into 4X4 and then floor it? That's a recipe for sliding off the road in a number of vehicles, imo. Not the way to do it. Your Saturn, was it a really powerful vehicle? What's the engine? I could see flooring it if it's underpowered, sure, maybe. But with a Jeep, that's not the way to drive up hills in ice/snow.
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No no.

So you try to start up the hill by slowly pushing the pedal, and the engine begins to retard to keep you from slipping. In the Saturn you can keep pushing the accelerator down until it reaches the floor. At that point the engine will maintain appropriate power from 0 to full throttle and pull you up the hill without issue.

On the Jeep as you push the accelerator it will just keep trying to give it more power and start slipping.
 
#35 ·
With what I have seen on this forum is that when you are going up a hill and 'floor' it the traction control and computer retards the engine and people say the Jeep "bogs".
 
#40 ·
I hightly doubt that Saturn SUV was $6,000 new off the lot
I think your the only one here that has problems with headlamps. It's just not a common issue.
The patriot is a very tiny lightweight SUV. Sometimes heavier vehicles do better in the snow. It's just physics.

Define "cheap".

I have a story similar to your Saturn suv story.
I came from a ford explorer and it looked great inside and out. It was twice as heavy as the patriot and thus did better in the snow because it's weight alone shoved the tires deep into the snow. I spent $6k on that vehicle also.
The seats were comfy and soft and the paint was shiny etc. That thing was an absolute mechanical nightmare. I spent over $4k a year just keeping that crap on the road. So no, my ford was NOT built better than the patriot. It only appeared nice.
Jeep's are typically more rugged than other domestic similarly prices SUV's. Some mistake this for cheap-ness. It's not supposed to be a lexus.... it's supposed to be a jeep.
 
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