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#461 ·
miketmx said:
When I was in high school we had a 1950 DeSoto with a 2 speed automatic called Fluid Drive and it actually had a clutch pedal like a stick shift and you could pop the clutch and lay a patch of rubber on the pavement, pretty cool at the time.
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My college roommate had one of those in a 1950 Dodge. Seems I recall the clutch was kinda optional. No way on earth he would ever lay a patch. He'd get passed by little old ladies on their way to the grocery store! :doh:
 
#462 ·
I remember that Fluid Drive had a tiptoe type of shift when you took your foot off the gas pedal it would very slowly shift up to the next higher gear. I remember that if you pushed in the clutch and popped it out real fast it would shift much faster but I don't remember if the column shift lever was in "L" or Drive.
 
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If today's showing was like Ground Hog's Day, the groundhog would see it's shadow and we would have 6 more weeks of waiting.

...also, why does Chrysler have a love affair with the Compass? I know the pricepoint is 2 grand more than Patriot. Maybe they make more money with Compass sales.All I see is Compasses in the lots but no Patriots. But the Patriot will live on. I still feel the Patriot assembly equipment will be shipped to China eventually. The Compass is sold there but not the Patriot. But Australia loves the Pat and China could easily send Pats over there and elsewhere. Pretty sure this Patriot will be my first and last Jeep. Hope it works well 'cuz lifetime tranny warranty means no worries there. Hope to have this for many many years.

...plus one thing I forget to mention. The Patriot is more of a CUV than an SUV. The Pat drives and handles well on pavement, real smooth. It has SUV characteristics but 99% of driving by owners keeps this vehicle on pavement. The other 1% is for fun time. I almost hit a trail today coming home from Marquette. Had to go to Escanaba but stayed on the secondaries. The terciaries will be coming someday.
 
#464 ·
^ Jeep is not stupid enough to ship anything in from China I'm telling you that right now. I'm surprised that they aren't going to manufacture the new diesel GC's here in the US tbh. And they like the Compass because with every redesign it becomes more and more like a shorter GC........they love it and the people who want a GC for it's looks but can't afford it's hefty price tag will almost always settle for a Compass. And most of those buyers don't use them for offroad use anyway so the Compass is really the money-wise way to go anyways.
 
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#465 ·
the_jeep_now said:
I'm glad as well that Patriot remained the same. I really don't understand why people are so upset. Usually the manufacturers re-design a model every five years or so. Patriot was just revamped for 2011 year model.


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I agree with you in a sense but i really wanted to see a major change...think evolution of the grand cherokee....sure the patriot had a revamp...but i want a full change

Kenny-g said:
@ TJN: Yea thats true but I was expecting at least minor changes ... would be super nice to get that "new saddle" leather interior as an option though :rolleyes: :p :D
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I am in love with that saddle brown leather!!!!

Kenny-g said:
^ Jeep is not stupid enough to ship anything in from China I'm telling you that right now. I'm surprised that they aren't going to manufacture the new diesel GC's here in the US tbh. And they like the Compass because with every redesign it becomes more and more like a shorter GC........they love it and the people who want a GC for it's looks but can't afford it's hefty price tag will almost always settle for a Compass. And most of those buyers don't use them for offroad use anyway so the Compass is really the money-wise way to go anyways.
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I totally agree with this but i am still surprised considering the patriot sells much more than the compass....if they revised the rear of the compass and fixed the D-pillar and they made the front face more upwards/level as oposed to down it would be really sweet imo.
 
#466 ·
tt1 said:
I agree with you in a sense but i really wanted to see a major change...think evolution of the grand cherokee....sure the patriot had a revamp...but i want a full change
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Why would they invest and revamp something that is getting axed in couple of years? It doesn't make sense from the cost perspective. GC is Jeep's flagship that is why it's getting all of the attention.


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#468 ·
^ I'm very interested in seeing the Liberty replacement!
 
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the_jeep_now said:
Why would they invest and revamp something that is getting axed in couple of years? It doesn't make sense from the cost perspective. GC is Jeep's flagship that is why it's getting all of the attention.


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I don't believe they would get rid of it....like some other members have said, i think that this is a bridge model for the big change in 2015. I get that the GC is the flagship but that doesn't mean that they should ignore the other models. Both ways it would be upsetting to see the patriot go if it did go and i think its really dumb when car manufacturers shut down production of popular vehicles or vehicles that had a lot of potential
 
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#471 ·
America as a whole never liked the baby Jeeps. They cherish. vehicles starting with the letters H T N B V and M. Us northerners buy American because they mostly service domestic. Which brings higher prices for domestic. We have little use for the other makes. Get excited about a Hyundai tranny I will stick with the Nissan cvt.
 
#472 ·
Our '07 has the 2-tone pleather and it is very comfortable and still looks new. Never understood why they dropped it, oh yeh, just like the rear discs went away on the Sport, now I rememeber, PRICE-POINT!

Fiat/Jeep has said all along that two platforms, the first being the Cherokee and the next one being the Compass/Patriot (bet one of them goes) was the direction they are headed. This is where the "Next Gen" styling will be a departure aka the spy shots. The Next Gen Pat will be the "baby Cherokee",
"the Fiat design".
 
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#473 ·
Hey, new guy here.
My wife and I purchased a 13 Patriot two weeks ago. I will say I hadn't even considered the vehicle until I found out it was available with a 5 speed manual. We bought a Sport 4x4 5 speed in black forest green. What made me look at the vehicle besides the manual trans you ask? Ah, it was the basic, boxy Jeep look with the simple, round headlights. It so much reminds me of the old Cherokee that I love the looks of. Anything swoopy or with fancy headlights would have been enough of a turn off for us that we wouldn't have even considered buying one. So, for some, the basic, old school looks/functionality of the Patriot was the selling point. For those wanting more I feel they make the GC for your next Jeep and probably what Jeep wants you to move up to.
 
#474 ·
gts340 said:
Hey, new guy here.
My wife and I purchased a 13 Patriot two weeks ago. I will say I hadn't even considered the vehicle until I found out it was available with a 5 speed manual. We bought a Sport 4x4 5 speed in black forest green. What made me look at the vehicle besides the manual trans you ask? Ah, it was the basic, boxy Jeep look with the simple, round headlights. It so much reminds me of the old Cherokee that I love the looks of. Anything swoopy or with fancy headlights would have been enough of a turn off for us that we wouldn't have even considered buying one. So, for some, the basic, old school looks/functionality of the Patriot was the selling point. For those wanting more I feel they make the GC for your next Jeep and probably what Jeep wants you to move up to.
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I would have bought a manual but I drive OTR and I need a smooth tiny rock hopper to come home to.
 
#475 ·
snokat said:
Fiat/Jeep has said all along that two platforms, the first being the Cherokee and the next one being the Compass/Patriot (bet one of them goes) was the direction they are headed.
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Two platforms, huh? 1=Cherokee & 2=Compass/Patriot. On which one is the Wranger built? Or are they cutting the Wrangler because it is too popular?
 
#476 ·
gts340 said:
Anything swoopy or with fancy headlights would have been enough of a turn off for us that we wouldn't have even considered buying one. So, for some, the basic, old school looks/functionality of the Patriot was the selling point.
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People buy the Wrangler for functionality & basic looks, not to be trendy. Swoopy styling and weird-shaped headlights will look as dated as tail-fins and side-spears in a few years. Wrangler still looks like it did in 1944. (If only they could still make it as it was then!)
 
#477 ·
If you watch that video the Jeep guy says they are keeping their flagship (obviously) and the Wrangler because it is so ridiculously popular. He later says they are planning to produce the Grand Wagoneer as a seperate Jeep from the GC because it is such a storied name plate (or soemthing like that). It's gonna be bigger. Then in 2 years the Patriot and COmpass will be replaced so we probably won't see updates again after this new transmission upgrade. And we all know they are bringing a new Liberty replacement this year.

So ultimately we will see a time when theres these vehicles all at the same time;
Grand Cherokee
Grand Wagoneer
Wrangler
Liberty Replacement
MK replacement (probably only one vehicle to replace the two but he didn't specify)
 
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#478 ·
Kenny-g said:
So ultimately we will see a time when theres these vehicles all at the same time;
Grand Cherokee
Grand Wagoneer
Wrangler
Liberty Replacement
MK replacement (probably only one vehicle to replace the two but he didn't specify)
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Probably a good move. The Patriot and Compass are redundant (not to mention the Caliber). They should've gone with the Patriot as a 'truckier' version and the Caliber for an auto version. IMHO the Compass never should have happened. They're all coming out of the same dealership. What difference is a nameplate? Its just chrome letters on a fender. They could have named the Wranger the Geranium and it would still sell just as well.
 
#479 ·
Kenny-g said:
If you watch the video in the OP of this thread the guy says the Patriot and Compass will be replaced in 2 years. Straight up! Skip to the 3 minute mark and listen from there;
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110794


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well that REALLY sucks!!!!, but why stop production of a really well selling vehicle? it doesn't make any sense to me at all....i think it has to do with fiat trying to put their platforms in so they have to make room for them.

Ignatz said:
Probably a good move. The Patriot and Compass are redundant (not to mention the Caliber). They should've gone with the Patriot as a 'truckier' version and the Caliber for an auto version. IMHO the Compass never should have happened. They're all coming out of the same dealership. What difference is a nameplate? Its just chrome letters on a fender. They could have named the Wranger the Geranium and it would still sell just as well.
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i totally agree, the compass is just weird....as we all know i can't stand the styling whatsoever but ignoring that, its extremely redundant and kind of stupid and i laugh everytime i see a higher price for the compass
 
#480 ·
tt1 said:
well that REALLY sucks!!!!, but why stop production of a really well selling vehicle? it doesn't make any sense to me at all....i think it has to do with fiat trying to put their platforms in so they have to make room for them.
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...they stoped making the Cherokee's back in, what, 2000? They've done it before and they'll continue to do it again...
 
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