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I stopped clicking through when I saw they had the Wrangler in there. I love when reviewers criticize the ride quality....as if the Wrangler would even show up on your radar if a cushy smooth vehicle was your priority.

Also I could have went with the "superior" Patriot competition had I wanted a tapered turd soccer mom looking crossover like every other one on the road.
 
the patriot (compass now too) are the only small SUV's that have ANY off road crappy road capability. the rest are cars that are little tin cans. I had my patriot in tangly places before, and look at expedition west's test of the pat.....no way a rav, crv, or any of its competitors could follow the pat in those trails! Jeep for me thanks.
 
Plus the Patriot still creams the competition in over all cost of use, cradle to grave.

I can't remember where i read this so I can't link it but taking into account the true costs of running, insuring, maintaining, repairing, purchasing and fuelling a vehicle the Patriot is low, low.

I keep records as I use mine for work, comparing almost a full year of the Patriot to my old XL7 I'm way ahead, less insurance, fuel, repairs and everything.

Plus lots of new car depreciation (in a year-end, tax kind of way) puts me absolutely way ahead.
 
I'm going to come running to the Smart ForTwo's defense here. That car is a very niche market. Outside of that niche it doesn't make sense, but if you are within the niche it is a great vehicle. However that niche is a very very tiny niche. I will say I would buy a used one. Figure around $8k, newish car with a glass roof and decent fuel economy, but the kicker.... it's the only car I could fit behind my TJ in the garage. Any other economy car I would need to decide what I'm going to park outside.

I've driven one, i found it to be "fun" in a strange way. it's slow (but fast enough for commuting), the transmission is horrible, but overall it's a nice place to spend 30 - 45 minutes a day.

That's why I qualified "in america" at least in arizona. When I lived in Rotterdam/ The netherlands, it actually made sense, as many cities allowed you to park cars under a certain size for free in the city, and you rarely drove more than 10 miles in any direction. That makes sense. so maybe in big cities like new york, san francisco, but for most places, no it doesn't make sense, ast least for me.
 
That's why I qualified "in america" at least in arizona. When I lived in Rotterdam/ The netherlands, it actually made sense, as many cities allowed you to park cars under a certain size for free in the city, and you rarely drove more than 10 miles in any direction. That makes sense. so maybe in big cities like new york, san francisco, but for most places, no it doesn't make sense, ast least for me.
aroundincircles, you make a good point -- a point the reviewers fail to consider, or possibly don't understand at all: People purchase things that meet their needs, including vehicles. In the city a tiny, fuel-efficient vehicle lives up to its eponymity.

The reviewer tips his hand with this quote: "While the Wrangler has few equals as a rough-and-tumble go-anywhere off-road vehicle, it’s lacking in refinement, comfort and road manners as a pavement-planted daily driver." WOW, what incredible insight! An off-road vehicle doesn't feel comfortable on-road! Maybe Off Road magazine should have a similar quote -- "While the Mercedes CLS has few equals in refinement, comfort and road manners for a pavement-planted daily driver, it's lacking as a rough-and-tumble go-anywhere vehicle."

Or for the Patriot "While the Patriot has few equals as an all-around vehicle balancing off-road capability, road manners, economy, and cargo capacity, it fails to excell in any one category."

Except for its strong points, its not a good vehicle. :doh:

Can you believe Forbes pays somebody to write that stuff???
 
Thank you Forbes

Thank you Forbes. That's why I bought a Jeep. Unsophisticated, lacking in road manners and it'll go anywhere. Also my mother-in-law hates it. "Best vehicle I've ever owned.' :)
Incidently, If I want a vehicle that drives like a sedan, I'll buy a sedan.
 
177675 miles to my my 07 patriot is the best in my fleet I love it glad I never read Forbes.
 
TTAC = The Truth About Cars

Heres what they say about the Patriot: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/06/review-2012-jeep-patriot-latitude/#more-449171
I love this whole statement by them lol

"From the outside, the Patriot hit the nail on the head when it was released in 2006 with slab-sides, horizontal tailgate, trapezoidal wheel arches, “Wrangleresque” headlamps and high beltline. While 2011 brought major changes to the hot mess that was the Compass’s exterior, only minor tweaks were applied to the Patriot. Those tweaks followed the “don’t fix it if it ‘aint’ broken” mantra; the only exterior tweaks are revised fascias and some standard equipment like fog lights and an increased ride height on the base 4×4 model. (Models with “Freedom Drive II are unchanged.) The overall form screams Jeep, and that’s just how Jeep shoppers like it."
 
these car critics find anything other than a Porsche or Ferrari "underpowered" and anything but a Rolls Royce or Maybach "poorly appointed".
We all know the value our Riots have out here in the real world.
 
Forbes has to cater to its perceived readership: well monied snobs who need to impress the parking valet at the opera house and their croonies at the "club". Forbes' playbook is CR mag who kowtows to speedy Toyota.

Forbes bemoaned the plain interior. We happen to find good utility in plastic: kids and pet proof.

They all point to the low resale value of Chrysler products which is only half true. Remember Chrysler marketing tactic always give deep discounts from its MSRP. So comparing resale value to MSRP is grossly misleading.

Let their readership continue to support the high-priced repair businesses for those fabled German and Japanese brands.

Anyway, our family is still very happy with our Riot: a very versatile SUV (U for real utility).
Ya, just think of the reaction among the "monied snobs" if Forbes had given the Patty a glowing review over a MB or BMW. Those poor bastards, their world would be turned upside down. They'd be falling all over themselves getting to a Jeep dealer to be the first on their block to own a Patty. Monkey see, monkey do in that world.....lol
 
^ Lol i just pictured that in my head was pretty F-ing hillarious xD
 
That TTAC report was pretty spot-on IMHO. It's exactly why I went to the Patriot, as it fit my needs for a daily driver, but will get up my hill, and go places I need to go off road. And get decent MPG for a capable 4x4 vehicle.

They however missed the fact that the Patriot is the best on-road winter driving vehicle I've ever had, and I've had many.
 
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