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Hello ExpeditionsWest -

Thks for the comprehensive review. I am considering this puppy. One thing though - doesn't the trail rated version of the Patriot get substantially less mileage per gallon than the standard FWD? I thought I read somewhere that it's rated at 21/23 vs 26/30 for the FWD manual. Unfortunately that seems the norm with ORVs - less miles per gallon.

GB
yep, thats correct on the mpg
 
The trail-rated mpg of the Patriot is the reason I removed it from my final choice when I was picking a vehicle. The gas wasn't terribly bad, but the tank is only 13.5 gallons, so I felt the combination of the 2 would lead to lots of trips to the gas station. Plus I live in Oregon where it's against the law to pump your own gas, so I hate going to the gas station. It just doesn't feel right having someone pump my gas for me, plus I'm anti-social.
 
Another question: How much time did you spend in 4-low on your climb? Did you switch it on only when needed or were you crawling along the whole way up?

Thanks - and great writeup
 
The trail-rated mpg of the Patriot is the reason I removed it from my final choice when I was picking a vehicle. The gas wasn't terribly bad, but the tank is only 13.5 gallons, so I felt the combination of the 2 would lead to lots of trips to the gas station. Plus I live in Oregon where it's against the law to pump your own gas, so I hate going to the gas station. It just doesn't feel right having someone pump my gas for me, plus I'm anti-social.
Hey, what's wrong with Oregon law? If someone else wants to pump gas for me I say go for it! :D

I know what you mean about the frequent trips to the gas station. But you get used to it, after awhile it isn't a big deal. I had a Toyota MR2 once and it had a very small tank. With that thing your mileage ranged quite a bit depending on how you drove it. Sometimes I only got about 230 miles on a tank.
 
230 miles is all I get out of my Liberty and it's got an 18 gallon tank!

Thanks for the thread e-west - lots of useful information in here!
 
The problem with Oregon law concerning pumping your own gas, GB1, is that it easilly turns a 2 minute self-serve job into a 10-minute tooth-grinder. Plus, Cooter always manages to either scratch my vehicle or pump gas all over the fender. AND, they don't take money outside - you STILL have to get out of your vehicle (remember, it rains a lot in Orgeon) and go inside to pay. Places like 7-11 make you go inside to pay first, them go back to your car and wait for some knuckledragger to come over and damage your new Patriot. Wow!!
 
1. Half the time the person pumping the gas is not someone you would ever want to talk to or let touch your vehicle or give your credit card to.

2. It's awkward to get out of your vehicle to check your oil, or clean your windows. You either have to have a conversation which you may not be in the mood for, or they look at you like you're crazy.

3. You could get the job done much faster if you could pump your own.

4. It makes me feel uncomfortable everytime I go to have another man pumping my gas for me. Men in America take care of themselves !
 
Great post and report! Greatly appreciated. That's what I was looking for, not just the canned, magazine-to-manufacturer-friendly generic article. As I am in the market for a Patriot (92 YJ and 94 ZJ, many Jamborees and trails later, need a kinder ride for fuel efficiency...).

Now you state having the FDII and Crawl-ratio version of the Patriot, then say you get out on the road and get 30mpg, then agree with someone saying that the Full Off-Road version only gets 21-23mpg... Which is it? Or rather, how did you truly do (mpgs) on-road and off-road?
 
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I was driving early vehicles, before the MPG had been finalized, so I used the numbers available at the time.

I would recommend using the results that members here have seen in the real world. IMO you should expect low to mid 20's in mixed driving and light off-roading (no sand). That was what I experienced, and I have a heavier right foot than most ;-)
 
I hope eventually they have way more mod options available but not just for the FD11, unfortunately nobody in Phoenix had one available and it was a sh!t or get off the pot situation so I went w/the next best. 2.4L 4x4 CVT which I believe makes it the FD1 but not sure?

Expeditionswest question for u!

do you think it's possible to gear up the FD1 up so that it can handle #2 rated trails? I'm new to all this and dang it I want to get out there and get into trail riding...! Oh, and I'm talking minor upgrades, nothing too expensive or extremely in depth as I have no type of garage available and I'd be affraid to screw up such a great vehicle! ha!
 
expeditionswest - Thank you for testing a Patriot... I've been on all of those trails and I am very surprised that you made it home alive but even more surprise that a Patriot could make it through.

Patriot Owners - your CAR is what it is... If you decide to do stuff like this full time your going to have make some serious modifications and only if you can find what your looking for. If you want to go off roading full time I would get a true 4x4 that can take a beating over and over again..

I like my Patriot... but it was made for the street not the trails... If I'm going off road I'm not taking my Patriot...
 
Outstanding!

Question: Did you happen to do any testing of the FDI equipped Patriot in off-roading conditions? It would be interesting to hear an experts opinion about the limitations and how best to overcome them of a non-Trail Rated Patriot.

Due to the higher fuel consumption of the FDII, not to mention the fact that they simply do not import the Trail Rated version everywhere, I imagine I would not be the only one interested in this.
 
Outstanding!

Question: Did you happen to do any testing of the FDI equipped Patriot in off-roading conditions? It would be interesting to hear an experts opinion about the limitations and how best to overcome them of a non-Trail Rated Patriot.

Due to the higher fuel consumption of the FDII, not to mention the fact that they simply do not import the Trail Rated version everywhere, I imagine I would not be the only one interested in this.
It would be good to know as the Freedom Drive II isn't available in the UK
 
Awesome article!

I guess there is little chance the naysayers will ever read or even acknowledge the review mind you. That said, I am delighted to have a Trail Rated Patriot. I had driven standard for over 30 years and was concerned about relinquishing control. Not any longer.

I'm feeling mighty fine now.
 
They were both trail rated, just an early series
Nice review. Now what is your take on a non trail rated Patriot. I have the FDI and I go offroading when I hunt. Nothing too serious but I am interested in getting some of the things the FDII Patriots have like the skid plates and the taller springs for the struts. Do you think the FDI model is still a capable off roader stock?
 
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expeditionswest - Thank you for testing a Patriot... I've been on all of those trails and I am very surprised that you made it home alive but even more surprise that a Patriot could make it through.
You are welcome. I have worked on several proof of performance projects with Jeep, including the recent Liberty crossing of the Rubicon.

As a crossover vehicle, the Patriot is actually quite exceptional, with the LR2 (Freelander) being the only equal, yet with a $15k premium

The key to all of these trails with a Patriot is to use the vehicles positive attributes to help navigate the obstacle. Maneuverability and stability allows the driver to select non-tradition lines to get through.

For the four-peaks and Crown King routes, the Patriot did very well. It is important to note that the trails were driven by an experienced driver, so the whole "Closed Course, Professional Driver" warning applies...

The FDI is a good vehicle for improved surfaces or the beach (sand). I would rate it's maximum capability with an average driver as a 2 rated trail, based on my five scale. The FDII just sneaks into the 2.5...

Essentially, they both do great on dirt roads that are maintained, like most forest service roads and desert two-tracks. Rocks begin to really test the platform. The are a blast in the sand, so small dunes and sand tracks and beaches are a perfect environment. It is always best to operate a vehicle at 80% or less of its capabilities, which allows for driver error and changes in weather, etc.

Here is my trail rating "guide"

Hope this helps :)
 
Scott -

I truly respect your 4x4 abilities and the ability of a Jeep Patriot.

I'm pretty sure what your stating is... Patriot is meant for a Level II trail (dirt, sand, snow and maybe a significant bump)...

My concern is that part of this review is on a very serious trail and technically it's meant for a true trail rig. I would hate for owners of this type of car to think that the Patriot is a serious trail rig that can continuously (that is a very key word here) do the level the review covered. When in fact it's really "Mall Rated" (which means keep it on the street)

Don't take this post wrong... I'm not down playing what it can do... but merely stating what it is meant for... I think if owners are looking for a trail rig that they can't take out time and time again then look for a different 4x4 and keep this one on the streets.

Just my 2 cents for what's it worth...

BTW - I know what is like to have your vehicles capabilities downplayed. I drove a Nissan Pathfinder off road for years. I took a lot of crap from Jeep guys but when it came time to play I usually was on top of the hill looking down at a lot them. I built it up from stock and when I was done it was capable of just about every trial in Arizona. However it is a very different vehicle that can be made into a very serious trail rig. So prove me wrong... build up your Patriots... and I'll see you on top of that hill some day...
 
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