Given that most of us shop around before buying, wondering what other vehicles you have or are considering besides the Patriot and what factors are or will be most important in your final selection?
What other vehicles have/are you considering besides Patriot?
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Well I'm not going to slam you...
I'm not a fan of Hummer. I just hope Hummer will once and for all get away from the H2 (I'm bigger than you, gas eating, rain forest eating, I'm severely over compansating, Super-Soccer-Mom-Suburban-Assault-Wheeled-Vehicle) image. On the other hand, I can live with the H3. The H3 is sensibly sized, equipped and more offroad capable. (I still think it kinda looks like a mix between a XJ and a TJ.) I'm also interested to see how the H4 will turn out. If the H4 can come close to matching the JK Wrangler I'm all for it. Competion can only be good for Jeep. Maybe it will help Jeep bring back an updated Cherokee.
It will be interesting to see what Hummer does with the H4. I hope they model it after the H3 instead of the H2. The H2 looks goofy....like a freaking tank. Also, we'll see how overpriced these puppies are. They are targeting the youth market...so I'm hoping they undercut the Wrangler a bit.Well I'm not going to slam you...
I'm not a fan of Hummer. I just hope Hummer will once and for all get away from the H2 (I'm bigger than you, gas eating, rain forest eating, I'm severely over compansating, Super-Soccer-Mom-Suburban-Assault-Wheeled-Vehicle) image. On the other hand, I can live with the H3. The H3 is sensibly sized, equipped and more offroad capable. (I still think it kinda looks like a mix between a XJ and a TJ.) I'm also interested to see how the H4 will turn out. If the H4 can come close to matching the JK Wrangler I'm all for it. Competion can only be good for Jeep. Maybe it will help Jeep bring back an updated Cherokee.
If they can offer a good looking vehicle with half of what the Wrangler has and better gas mileage for less cost.....why not give it a sniff?
To be honest...I think Hummer is the best thing for Jeep. Clearly, the Liberty is being redesigned to compete with the H3 and FJ. They are making it bigger, more square (read: masculine), and more capable. Now it is Hummer's turn to react. The H2 isn't competing with anything...so if they want some more rugged market share, they have to aim at the Wrangler.
i read car and driver's rock hopper comparison where they compared the H3, FJ cruiser, Xterra, and the Gand Cherokee Laredo and they were adament about the fact that while the H3 was great off road, it really sucked on road. And they didnt have anything good to say about the inline 5 it has. I think that anything comming from hummer is going to have serious on road comprimises you wont find in the liberty, patriot, xterra, or fj cruiser.
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I am pulling for the H4, too. The best thing for the H2 is the diesel aftermarket kit - tons of torque and mid-20s for mpgs! I would own and drive one in a heartbeat if it was in my price range and ran diesel. I like the H2T. I look forward to a day when the whining, hate spewing, tree-hugging, intollerant, "I'm more PC than you", conservative-hating, seriously over compensating, gender nulifying outback owners get a life and let others simply be.
That being said, I will get the vehicle which meets the most of my needs at the best price regardless of make, model, or social stigma.
That being said, I will get the vehicle which meets the most of my needs at the best price regardless of make, model, or social stigma.
Why don't you just come out and say, "I'll do whatever I want regardless of any negative environmental impact my actions will cause."
What a childish post, honestly...
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You said it for me, thanx.
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Must have struck too close to home for some... I guess. What gave you the impression that I will do anything regardless of any negative enviro impact because I said I would consider buying a diesel H2, because I won't bow at the roots of the nearest shrub, or because I won't do something simply to be PC regardless of its true costs?
With everything, there is a balance. To each end there is an extreme. I will not bow to social pressure simply to fit in nor fight the norm simply to rebel. I look for the best way to meet my family and my needs. Sometimes the the best things isn't what is considered the PC-way. Sometimes it is. I don't care if it does or not. I will not buy a hybrid until they can prove that the batteries last at least as long as the standard car battery does, that it doesn't cost hundred if not thousands to replace and is recycleable (after all isn't that part of why people buy hybrids?!?)
There isn't a single vehicle in the world which doesn't have some negative environmental impact... it's all a matter of degrees and time lines. The whole lifecycle of the vehicle should really be considered if you really care about the environment... from raw materials (post consumer materials) thru use and back to the percentage of reuseable/recycleable materials and the energys required all along the way. simply looking at the exhaust and mpgs is very short sighted.
I still stand by my statement... I will buy the vehicle which best fits my family's needs and budget; independent of marketing, branding, make, model, and clickish or trendy fad.
For those who are interested in comparing the Patriot's gas mileage with other vehicles they are considering as well as greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution score of various models (this is all given in the comparison)...go to www.fueleconomy.gov...
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These are some good numbers. I can't wait to get behind the wheel of one.
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Well said! You are right you should buy the vehicle that best fits your needs. And you do have to look at the big picture.
I made the left wing comment. You made the right wing comment. Now we have balance.
i may be one of the few who wants a fwd 5 spd.
i want the cargo space for hauling camping and tailgating gear. I've compared the Patriot to PT Cruiser, HHR, Matrix/Vibe, Honda Element, and Hyundai Tucson. The Patriot looks to have the best combination of space, features, mpg, power to weight ratio and cost for me. Of course, i'll have to drive it.
i want the cargo space for hauling camping and tailgating gear. I've compared the Patriot to PT Cruiser, HHR, Matrix/Vibe, Honda Element, and Hyundai Tucson. The Patriot looks to have the best combination of space, features, mpg, power to weight ratio and cost for me. Of course, i'll have to drive it.
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If you are looking at the Nitro and want 4x4... Wait for the 08 Liberty. They share a common frame but the 08 Liberty is more offroad oriented. For more info go here: http://www.allpar.com/trucks/jeep/liberty-2008.html
Interesting...hadn't seen the liberty or should i say mini commander...
Note: The VW Tiguan will have the 2.0 bluetec diesel engine as an option when it arrives sometime after the gas model in late Fall 2007....I am only interested in a manual tranny largely for the improved vehicular control, performance, fuel mileage, and auto trannies are just soooo boring (please pardon my bias for adventure
Jeep Patriot
VW Tiguan
Subaru Forester
Rebuilding my Cherokee or finding another 5spd Cherokee
Finding a VW TDI Golf and installing a 1 in rally lift to deal with my dirt roads
But, should the VW Tiguan appear with the 2.0 TDI diesel, my decision is made as the 2.0 puts out about the same torque as my 4.0 with way better fuel economy.
Well said! Contrary to poular opinion, even the H1 can be more envionmently freindly than the best hybrid. A diesel can run without burning a fossil fuel,(100% biodiesel), hybrids still need gas.
Biodiesel still emits harmful polution which contributes to global warming. And diesel emits more polution than gas, especially when your burning ten times as much. I dont really care if someone chooses to drive a hummer but if you think its more enviromentally friendly than a Toyota Prius your grossly misinformed or delusional.
100% biodiesel is much cleaner than any gas burning engine, plus reduces dependance on imported oil. That was my point. Hydrogen cars would be cleanest vehicles, as they only emit water vapor, but did you know that water vapor is the most abundant "greenhouse gas"? Since you brought it up, do you know how much the earth has warmed over the past 100+ years records have been kept? Or that the earth has been much warmer than it is now? Or that we just emerged from a minor ice age just over 100 years ago? Or that just one volcanic eruption emits more "gree house gases" than mankind has ever produced?
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I am not a believer in the global warming theory. It is not a fact... it's still an unproven theory with many authorities lining up on both sides of the issue... that doesn't mean I don't believe in pollution nor things having a negative impact on our environment. That aside...
I am still considering three other candidates strongly:
The wrangler 4 door
The grand vitara
The xterra
We are starting to lean towards the wrangler but will be testing all four to see if two full size carseats plus one boaster seat will fit in the back seat. This will be a huge test for us.
The rear seat entry for the H3 is too tight, which is why the FJ is not on the list either.
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