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#22 ·
Weatherman said:
My fiance cracks me up with this! Shell get in the cold vehicle and turn the heat on full blast with the fan on high. I explained to her that all she's doing is making the engine take longer to warm up and sitting with cold air blowing in her face the whole time. Whereas I start mine in the morning, go smoke a cigarette(I dont smoke in the car) and drive to the end of my road before I turn the heat on, and guess what? Toasty warm:) We haven't gotten much weather below 20F yet here, so I cant speak on the 2011s feelings on cold weather, but i imagine they're not much different than my 08. That jeep did NOT like cold weather. But like most cars in really cold temps it sounded a little rough starting and then it was fine.
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I do the same thing, the heat is on low or off until the temp needle gets off the ground. Then I turn it on and the hest is good to go. I love the people who blast cold air into the car until the car warms up. They crack me up.:doh:
 
#23 ·
So its just noise? You're probably hearing the valves and everything else mechanical, till they're warmed up and lubed. Seems like you have good oil, but maybe a compatible additive will keep the oil where it needs to be.
 
#25 ·
SPACEJEEP said:
I've driven a Pontiac 6000(250k km), a Chev Malibu(200k km) and an Eagle Talon (Mitsu 320k km) and not one of them sounded this course especially in the first year when everything is nice and tight. We can candy coat this as much as we want but these cars are cheaply made with inferior components- right down to the tinniest sheet metal I've ever seen. I just loved the look so much I got hook, lined and sinkered!!! I've said this before and I'll say it again I would have easily paid a couple of grand more for this vehicle if it allowed Chrysler to build it the way a Jeep should be-solid like a rock!!I have a co-worker with a 2010 Patriot as well and she complains of the same harshness at startup.-go figure!!!
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Should have looked at the Liberty then :)
Part of the noise is it's a larger displacement 4cyl, and it has a plastic manifold, and there is very little sound proofing in the engine compartment. I don't think anything is getting damaged in there when it sounds like a diesel on cold starts. Oil is getting where it needs to be, that's not the problem, it just has to warm up to quiet down.
My 2.0L Cavalier was so quiet in the summer you couldn't even tell it was running, but in the winter, it definately made some racket until it warmed up.
 
#26 ·
We woke up to minus 12C on Tuesday morning this week but I didn't notice any problem starting. You would expect Europeans to have more trouble in winter than yous guys because we nearly all drive diesels, but I had none. I did have to wait about three seconds for the GloPlug light to go off (for those of you that aren't familiar with diesels, they have a little gadget at the top of each cylinder sort of like a sparkplug with no gap. It has a filament that heats up for a second or so , literally until it glows, and this helps the diesel-oil/air mixture to ignite), but I'd expect that under those temperatures.
I reckon you're getting a bit of "slap". Diesel drivers are used to this and it's not usually dangerous. What happens is that when temperatures are very low various metal parts contract a bit so that the set gaps between them are larger. This makes for more of a rattling noise until working temperatures are reached.
What you mustn't do is to check the gaps and re-set them narrower. If you do that, then when the engine reaches its working temperature, you might risk overheating or get timing issues.
You could try a different viscosity oil in winter if you live somewhere chilly. Most of the big lube oil manufacturers have helplines and can advise you if you ring them up.

Rocal
 
#28 ·
a few questions

1. are you sure they are using synthetic? Is it full synthetic or synthetic blend?
2. have you checked the oil, is it full?
3. what do the guages do when you start it?

9k km is not much, that engine is not even broken in yet!

Keep in mind that the 2.4L in the patriot is same as compass, caliber and avengers. I have not heard of any similar complaints.

- Dan M
 
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DM6156 said:
Keep in mind that the 2.4L in the patriot is same as compass, caliber and avengers. I have not heard of any similar complaints.
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The Compass rental I had for the past 3 weeks sounded on the rough side when it was cold, however to me it just sounded like a 4 cyl. starting in the cold. And it was a rental... so all bets are off on when the oil was last changed, etc.
 
#30 ·
DALTONSJEEP said:
i have had the same prob with mine from day one. i have even taken it in and they say its normal. dont think so...
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Mine sounded like sht too on cold mornings. It use to practically slap me across the head for even asking it to start and warm up on mornings like that.
It was actually embarassing to listen too.
I had other vehicles before and this Japanese sedan after that doesn't even come close to sounding like that.
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
I don't know maybe I've been spoiled with the better built cars of a couple of decades ago as this is my first NEW car since my 1992 Talon. It just seems this vehicle is noiser when cold than I'm accustomed to thats all. If you figure I paid $21k for the Talon in the winter of '91 & $25k for the Pat in '10 thats only a $4k increase in 20 years so theres definately been a lot of skimping going on.
 
#32 ·
Hitzy said:
I don't think anything is getting damaged in there when it sounds like a diesel on cold starts.
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Mine always sounds like a diesel :p

Jonathan
 
#33 ·
I never had any trouble last winter with mine. I did start to use the block heater regularly when the temp started to go down to -10. That helped the heater work faster and the startes were never hard.

I don't remember it being much noisier on start up.
 
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SPACEJEEP said:
I don't know maybe I've been spoiled with the better built cars of a couple of decades ago as this is my first NEW car since my 1992 Talon. It just seems this vehicle is noiser when cold than I'm accustomed to thats all. If you figure I paid $21k for the Talon in the winter of '91 & $25k for the Pat in '10 thats only a $4k increase in 20 years so theres definately been a lot of skimping going on.
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Talon was one of the biggest pieces of crap ever to hit the road in North America!
I got my '08 for $16,900 (before tax), there was absolutely nothing even close to this price from competitors. I wanted a 4x4 compact SUV, with no bells and whistles, and I got it. Next closest in price was a Hyndai Tuscon starting at $25k, and that is a true piece of Korean crap. Worst driving pile of cheap junk I have ever been in.
Personally, I think all the extra features you can get in a vehicle drive the price up too much. Hell, even A/C is $1000 for a car.....I can get a 5000BTU window unit for my house for $70 and it will last 10 years! I would probably buy the next model up, in this case a Liberty base model if I was considering spending extra money for expensive features. I don't think you really get your money's worth on a loaded ride :)
 
#35 ·
SPACEJEEP said:
It has no problem starting Stew its just noisy at startup and slowly quiets down as it reaches operating temp. I think the main culprit here is how they have set the cold idle. My Talon used to rev at 2k+ rpm's for a good 2 minutes before the tach starting coming down to settle at 750 rpm on a warmed up engine. But because of the mandated fuel consumption targets the car manufacturers must adhere to they started fiddling around with the cold idle and now it starts to descend within seconds of startup to save fuel. So even though its at say 1k rpm the temp needle still hasn't moved when you drive away.

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Ya know I think I may have noticed that once or twice when it was new, but now it idles fine. is your an auto? that may be difference as mine is a manual and seems to idle in the higher rpms a bit longer than you described. I have also used synthetic oil since the 3rd oil change. I don't know if all that makes any difference or not.
 
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Well Hitzy that Talon you call a piece of crap gave me 200,000 miles and 16 years of trouble free driving. Sure you had to stay on top of the timing belt changes being an interference engine and all but the only other big expense were the front brakes done twice(never changed the rear pads and disks) and the alternator. Heck the entire exhaust system from front to back INCLUDING the muffler were still original. The rad hoses despite having replacements in my trunk were never changed because the stock ones never degraded. Oh yeah and not a speck of rust unlike the dam hubs on this car that are rusting already!! You should have seen the look on the face of the 18 year old kid that bought it off me for $1200-priceless!!! The car was mint like it had just come off the showroom floor. Sure I take care of my cars but somehow with all the nagging little problems popping up already on an 8 month old Pat I somehow don't think my driving will be trouble free.
 
#37 ·
SPACEJEEP said:
Well Hitzy that Talon you call a piece of crap gave me 200,000 miles and 16 years of trouble free driving. Sure you had to stay on top of the timing belt changes being an interference engine and all but the only other big expense were the front brakes done twice(never changed the rear pads and disks) and the alternator. Heck the entire exhaust system from front to back INCLUDING the muffler were still original. The rad hoses despite having replacements in my trunk were never changed because the stock ones never degraded. Oh yeah and not a speck of rust unlike the dam hubs on this car that are rusting already!! You should have seen the look on the face of the 18 year old kid that bought it off me for $1200-priceless!!! The car was mint like it had just come off the showroom floor. Sure I take care of my cars but somehow with all the nagging little problems popping up already on an 8 month old Pat I somehow don't think my driving will be trouble free.
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I'm at 50,000 kms's with no issues, I have the 2008 5 speed 4x4 Sport. I plan on keeping it at least 10 years, which would put me around 250,000kms. I've been getting it Krowned every year, and the tranmission fluid is cheap and easy to change on the 5 speed. The engines in these are pretty solid, I don't think they will give us any problems. The only thing that seems sort of common are tierods and ball joints wearing prematurely. CVT's have been around for about 10 years or so, and I'm not sure how durable they are. They seems to be a big expense if they go down out of warranty, as Nissan just doubled the warranties on their CVT's (same JATCO unit Patriot uses) to 10 years due to consumer complaints.
 
#38 ·
SPACEJEEP said:
I don't know maybe I've been spoiled with the better built cars of a couple of decades ago as this is my first NEW car since my 1992 Talon. It just seems this vehicle is noiser when cold than I'm accustomed to thats all. If you figure I paid $21k for the Talon in the winter of '91 & $25k for the Pat in '10 thats only a $4k increase in 20 years so theres definately been a lot of skimping going on.
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You paid 25k for a 2wd Patriot? Ouch.
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
Hey don't get me wrong I still love my Pat and maybe I found a diamond in the rough with the Talon but its created a standard by which all other cars are going to have to meet. Maybe I have to come to the realization that they "just don't build them like they used to".
 
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Trust me $25k is a great price as I haggled to no end. Remember prices up here in Canada are a lot higher due to taxes and what not!! Check out my delivery day album for photo's.
 
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