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I just read that Chrysler are doing some one off Accesssorised models to help move vehicles up to when new model start appearing in 2011/12.

This one is the Patriot Extreme , I think its lifted, bigger wheel/tyre combo, bumper changes & a special roof basket/rack.

I'll see if I can find out more:smiley_thumbs_up:
 
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yea you got it cdrift! I think I found it on another site , as well as Motor Trend.
 
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Well, if they're going to have a 2 inch lift from the factory, that's good news for everyone thinking of adding the RRO lift or Aussie springs. Makes it a lot tougher to deny warranty when the factory does it! :smiley_thumbs_up:
 
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I agree that, if Chrysler starts producing factory-lifted Patriots, it can only be a good thing for those of us interested in lifting our Pats.

Maybe it would force them to go back and look at the suspension design as well, since that seems to be a weak point.

Perhaps Chrysler could offer current owners a factory-made lift along with an upgraded suspension. Depending on the price, I might be interested.
 
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i dont get it, the purpose of the patriot is to have a small fuel efficient jeep. Most people on this website wouldnt own a patriot if it had the same MPG as a wrangler. If chrysler lifts them up, put bigger tires on them, and make them more off road capable, then MPG goes down. And all they would create is yet another jeep that only gets 18MPG (which means that when you drive it, you get 16MPG).

So, they already have the commander, liberty, wrangler (sahara, rubicon...) and cherokee and they all get the same crappy MPG and all cost about the same.

Why add another jeep to the line up that has the exact MPG as all the others? and really is not that much different than a liberty, commander, or cherokee?

to me, it doesnt make any sense, but again, they are the ones that have been getting bailouts for the past 20 years or so.

dont get me wrong, i would love a more offroad capable patriot, but if it gets the same MPG as a commander, then i would go for the bigger commander.
 
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Broccoli Iglesias said:
i dont get it, the purpose of the patriot is to have a small fuel efficient jeep. Most people on this website wouldnt own a patriot if it had the same MPG as a wrangler. If chrysler lifts them up, put bigger tires on them, and make them more off road capable, then MPG goes down. And all they would create is yet another jeep that only gets 18MPG (which means that when you drive it, you get 16MPG).
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Oh come on now. A small lift and slightly larger tires will hardly make the vehicle consume as much fuel as a Wrangler. Fuel economy isn't some on/off thing where immediately when a vehicle is lifted it doubles its fuel consumption! In fact, from personal experience I can say that there is no noticeable increase in fuel consumption from a 2" lift alone - bigger tires do make the engine work harder, but Chrysler has the option of tweaking the gearing to match it better to a different size tires which is something we can't do. Unless Chrysler really does go to extreme lengths in trying to enhance Patriots off-road capabilities while tossing all other considerations out the window (and lets face it, this is pretty damn unlikely to happen), it will still remain quite fuel effective.
 
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Tony1911 said:
Oh come on now. A small lift and slightly larger tires will hardly make the vehicle consume as much fuel as a Wrangler. Fuel economy isn't some on/off thing where immediately when a vehicle is lifted it doubles its fuel consumption! In fact, from personal experience I can say that there is no noticeable increase in fuel consumption from a 2" lift alone - bigger tires do make the engine work harder, but Chrysler has the option of tweaking the gearing to match it better to a different size tires which is something we can't do. Unless Chrysler really does go to extreme lengths in trying to enhance Patriots off-road capabilities while tossing all other considerations out the window (and lets face it, this is pretty damn unlikely to happen), it will still remain quite fuel effective.
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you just made my point. If they are not gonna go all out, then whats the point? you can get the lift yourself and the bigger tires for less than chrysler would charge you.

its going to end up being a cherokee with a different name.
 
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It's not as big of a hoax as you think... Chrysler is building the Patriot Extreme and a handful of other "Moparized" vehicles. Spy shots of the Dodge Ram Power Wagon are already available...

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/12/...ce=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+weblogsinc/autoblog+(Autoblog)

Original artists renderings:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/12/chrysler-releases-new-moparized-concept-renderings-ahead-of-44/

I wouldn't get your panties all in a bunch about it, though. Chances are it will be a very limited release similar to the Rumble Bee Dodge vehicles.
 
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Broccoli Iglesias said:
you just made my point. If they are not gonna go all out, then whats the point?
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Now that is indeed a valid point. I suppose the point of Chryslers actions is the same as with any number of previous "special models" that were nothing but slight changes in upholstery and such, and a different badge glued to the vehicle. "Now presenting the new, exciting Jeep models that are available in another shade of green than usually!" Inept marketing and/or an attempt to pry more money out of people who haven't realized that they could modify their vehicles themselves, too, instead of only relying on what is available from the factory.
 
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Tony1911 said:
Now that is indeed a valid point. I suppose the point of Chryslers actions is the same as with any number of previous "special models" that were nothing but slight changes in upholstery and such, and a different badge glued to the vehicle. "Now presenting the new, exciting Jeep models that are available in another shade of green than usually!" Inept marketing and/or an attempt to pry more money out of people who haven't realized that they could modify their vehicles themselves, too, instead of only relying on what is available from the factory.
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The small changes from the factory may seem trivial now, but tell that to someone who owns a "little red express" pickup or one of the previous "moparized" models from years passed. In 30 years from now a seemingly simple Jeep Patriot "Extreme" could be worth 5 times a regular Patriot.
 
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Gaze said:
The small changes from the factory may seem trivial now, but tell that to someone who owns a "little red express" pickup or one of the previous "moparized" models from years passed. In 30 years from now a seemingly simple Jeep Patriot "Extreme" could be worth 5 times a regular Patriot.
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Automakers have been tweeking models with packages to give some life to an aging product or a regional package with some special graphics and equipment upgrades. I've been in the old car hobby for 25+ years and these packages seldom add much extra value (if any) in the long run. They can generate a bit more interest, but usually little more than that. Sure, there are some exceptions like the Dodge trucks mentioned. The "Red Express" and the black Warlock will bring a good buck, but not that many really care about the Prospector package. Sure it's nice, but few will pay much of a premium for it. Also the Hurst Commando is another exception.

The things that add value in the collector market are real and rare performance options. Big blocks and four speeds, things not typically ordered for the family sedan, are where you get the 5 times value that was mentioned. As far as collectible Jeeps go, originality is the big value enhancement, general speaking. Laredo and Renegade packages certainly help, but if AMC had put a 401 a few thousand CJ's, that's where the big money would go.

The car hobby seems very much about image first and performance second, or vice versa. Rarity isn't nearly as important as many people might think. A high production 60's 6 cylinder Mustang "secretary's car" will almost always garner more interest than say a 63 Studebaker Wagonaire. Image often trumps rarity. Image can also trump performance. The same Mustang 6 will almost always outdraw a 63 Lark Daytona Supercharged V8.

Performance and luxury cars will probably continue lead collectors' interest into the coming years. Past trends would lead to the conclusion that the Patriot would unlikely be a sought after collectible. Not knowing what lies ahead, you really can't anticipate a certain vehicle's value down the road. A few have guessed with some success. Another disillusioned soul may bring out their old, well maintained, Maverick Grabber thinking they've got something like a Boss 302 to sell. You never know, the Patriot might be a sleeper, but we won't know for many years.
 
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Broccoli Iglesias said:
i dont get it, the purpose of the patriot is to have a small fuel efficient jeep. Most people on this website wouldnt own a patriot if it had the same MPG as a wrangler. If chrysler lifts them up, put bigger tires on them, and make them more off road capable, then MPG goes down. And all they would create is yet another jeep that only gets 18MPG (which means that when you drive it, you get 16MPG).

So, they already have the commander, liberty, wrangler (sahara, rubicon...) and cherokee and they all get the same crappy MPG and all cost about the same.

Why add another jeep to the line up that has the exact MPG as all the others? and really is not that much different than a liberty, commander, or cherokee?

to me, it doesnt make any sense, but again, they are the ones that have been getting bailouts for the past 20 years or so.

dont get me wrong, i would love a more offroad capable patriot, but if it gets the same MPG as a commander, then i would go for the bigger commander.
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Well personally, I bought the Pat because I wanted a Jeep and although I REALLY wanted a Wrangler Unlmtd. It was about $3000 more than we could afford and we needed a vehicle ASAP. The gas mileage is not that important to me as I cycle to work and school.

I do see your point, the Patriot is made for a purpose. But I do believe it would be nice to have a model that is a step up from even the FDII. More importantly a better aftermarket presence.
 
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